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    Default Simon Wittner or Pony Express System

    Can someone point me in the right direction to find information on Simon Wittner clocks and or the Pony Express System in Yorktown New York?

    I've aquired a beautiful round wall clock with an oak case. I've found two other clocks through internet searches that say they were Simon Wittner clocks. They had different types of cases, but the workings looked the same. I can't find anything about where Simon Wittner was located, what years the clocks were made, or anything about the company that glued a card to the back with a hand written clock number, Hand written "Simon Wittner" and printed "Circa 1900 Regulator".

    I'm always interested in the history of a clock when I get it, This one seems to have an elusive history.

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    Default Re: Simon Wittner or Pony Express System (RE: clarionite)

    Hello Clarionite,
    Welcome to the NAWCC message board.
    Would you have a picture of your clock that you could post?
    I have no information on your clock; however with a picture someone here may be able to help.
    The only clock marked with "Pony Express" that I remember seeing as was an Asian manufactured model.
    Best regards and good luck!
    Grant

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    Default Re: Simon Wittner or Pony Express System (RE: Grant Perry)

    Grant,

    I can take some pictures this afternoon.

    Thanks,

    Marty

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    Default Re: Simon Wittner or Pony Express System (RE: clarionite)

    The only information I have is from the old advertisements that they used to run in the antique and nostalgia magazines in the 1970's. The headlines often ran "One of America's last great antique buys." You got a numbered and registered certificate claiming "a turn of the century antique."
    The company was located at 2986 Navajo Street, Yorktown, N.Y 10598.
    They showed the 4 common Japanese wall clock styles that were flooding the American market at that time. Their advertized prices were from $110 to $135 plus $6.00 UPS delivery.
    I have no clue who Simon Wittner was but someone was a clever marketer. These clocks show up quite often.
    Charlie Davis, La Verne, CA
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    Default Re: Simon Wittner or Pony Express System (RE: Charles E. Davis)

    Interesting, Charles. I have one of these "Certificate of Age and Ownership" documents that came with a Japanese short drop clock that a customer gave me. It is from 1978, and is signed by our mysterious Simon Wittner. The certificate guarantees the clock to be a genuine circa 1900 antique, and looks pretty official It is from the Pony Express System, 2986 Navajo Street, Yorktown, NY.
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    Default Re: Simon Wittner or Pony Express System (RE: harold bain)

    That seems to fit what I was told by a NAWCC member when I went by his shop today at lunch. He wasn't familiar with the company, but identified the clock as a Japanese school clock. He said the makers mark was from Seikosha. Since I didn't pay a lot for that clock, it didn't hurt my feelings much. But to find out the other clock I took to him was a Korean replica from the 1960's stung a little.

    I'll try to post pictures of the clock this evening when I get home.

    Marty

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    Default Re: Simon Wittner or Pony Express System (RE: clarionite)

    Here is a link to a completed similar e-Bay item.
    http://cgi.ebay.com/_W0QQitemZ390006...QQcmdZViewItem
    Grant

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    Default Re: Simon Wittner or Pony Express System (RE: Grant Perry)

    Interesting subject.
    I have seen these clocks before and thought they were old and genuine. Not the case.More or less a name to sell a clock, complete with a certificate.
    I like Japanese or Asian made clocks that have a name on the dial, it makes it easier to identify the clock.
    I have a Japanese school house clock with no maker,s name on the dial, it looks American made, but is not.
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    Default Re: Simon Wittner or Pony Express System (RE: Kevin W.)

    Quote Originally Posted by Kevin West View Post
    Interesting subject.
    I have seen these clocks before and thought they were old and genuine. Not the case.More or less a name to sell a clock, complete with a certificate.
    I depends. Their reference is "a genuine circa 1900 antique." That is a pretty loose statement. If circa 1900 stretches to 1920 and you accept that an antique doesn't have to be 100 years old, you might be in some kind of a ballpart. Allowing that stretch and accepting the implied origin as US rather than Japan you have gotten what you ordered, not what you expected!
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    Default Re: Simon Wittner or Pony Express System (RE: Charles E. Davis)

    I guess my way of what i understood was it was used by the Pony Express.
    But it seems it was not.
    It is just a name given to this clock.
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    Smile Re: Simon Wittner or Pony Express System (RE: Kevin W.)

    Simon Wittner and his wife Shirley found a cashe of old regulator clocks in a warehouse in New England. These clocks had never been sold and had been in storage until Simon found them in 1979. They were all made between 1890 and 1910. There was an associated press article about him and his wife in several newspapers in 1979. He marketed them thru his antique company Pony Express Systems of Yorktown NY. I purchased one on July 23 1979 it is number 75656
    Today Simon is 71 years old and still lives in the Yorktown area but is no longer in the antique buisness
    If anyone is interested I can scan the article from the paper and send it to you
    Hope this helps

    Dan Bishop
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    Default Re: Simon Wittner or Pony Express System (RE: danielbi)

    Hi, Dan, welcome to the message board. Thanks for updating the information on this thread. My clock is dated December 12 1978, with the number 62145. So, were these new, old stock clocks? I would appreciate a scan of this article to keep with my clock. You can email me at: heyjude1313atrogers.com
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    Default Re: Simon Wittner or Pony Express System (RE: harold bain)

    Dan, I would also love to see a copy of the news item. Several parts of what you describe would take some explaining.
    He found the clocks in 1979. He was advertising the clocks in Americana magazine in 1977.
    The clocks were "new-old stock." The ads show a wide variety which also show up in the actual clocks that I have seen. This would not be typical of a new-old stock stash of items.
    The Pony Express is a fascinating story of clock merchandising and your item will be an exciting piece to include when the story is finally published.
    Please fill us in and make it available!
    Charlie Davis, La Verne, CA
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    Default Re: Simon Wittner or Pony Express System (RE: Charles E. Davis)

    Do you know if I can send a scanned copy of article to this site
    dan

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    Default Re: Simon Wittner or Pony Express System (RE: danielbi)

    Dan, if you send it to me, I will try to copy it to this thread.
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