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    Default unknown Waltham - 1904 model?

    While checking dial foot positions on some dials I noticed that the foot-position chart Waltham has in their material catalog shows diameter and foot positions for a "14s O.F. & Htg. 1904". This chart appears in all material catalogs from 1909 to 1958. There is no mention anywhere else of a 1904 model 14-size watch and I have never heard of one. This is not the 1895, 1897 or Colonial Series since those are shown separately. The foot positions and centers appear to be identical to the 1895 model.

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    Default unknown Waltham - 1904 model? (By: Jerry Treiman)

    While checking dial foot positions on some dials I noticed that the foot-position chart Waltham has in their material catalog shows diameter and foot positions for a "14s O.F. & Htg. 1904". This chart appears in all material catalogs from 1909 to 1958. There is no mention anywhere else of a 1904 model 14-size watch and I have never heard of one. This is not the 1895, 1897 or Colonial Series since those are shown separately. The foot positions and centers appear to be identical to the 1895 model.

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    Default unknown Waltham - 1904 model? (By: Jerry Treiman)

    Although there is no mention of a 1904 model watch in any Waltham material catalog that I have seen, they do appear in the serial number list (the "gray book"). Starting with 13,510,001 and at least into the 21-millions there are a number of runs of 14-size 1904 model 7-jewel "Bd. St." (Bond Street) movements listed. I suspect that these are export movements to England. Perhaps one of our British correspondents has seen one of these, or has a British Waltham material list, and can help clear up how these differ from other 14-size movements. [I am guessing that Waltham may have had a distinct material list for their English trade as there were other distinct export movements, such as the earlier 14-size full-plate model, that do not appear in the American material catalogs.]

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    Default Re: unknown Waltham - 1904 model? (By: Jerry Treiman)

    Hi... I just found this thread after pondering much the same questions.
    Photos: A 1904, and same again with a loose 1895 movement for comparison. "Spot the difference!?"
    Serial numbers 9227977 and 13929003.
    Both models do indeed turn up now & then on our local variant of a well-known online auction site. The 1895 is a little unusual (I have it only in Bond St, Hillside and Riverside flavours) and the 1904 even more so (and I've so far only seen it in Bond St trim.) I wonder how many I'm missing.


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    Default Re: unknown Waltham - 1904 model? (By: topspin)

    ...and this evening I've just purchased another model 1904, serial 19155801.
    Looks similar again.
    The seller takes better pictures than I do... Am I allowed to post a link/reference to the auction now that it is completed & paid for?

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    Default Re: unknown Waltham - 1904 model? (By: topspin)

    Yes, posting links to completed auctions is fine.

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    Default Re: unknown Waltham - 1904 model? (By: Dave Coatsworth)

    Cheers. If you search on ebay for 251925839668 and follow the link to original listing, you'll find it.

    I look forward to one day finding out what, if anything, is the difference between the 1895 and 1904 models. On the surface at least they look pretty similar.

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    Default Re: unknown Waltham - 1904 model? (By: topspin)

    Here are 2 model 1904, both HC. (The one pictured above is openface.)
    One is cased correctly.
    The one which is sidewindered, judging by its hour hand I'd say it started life in a half-hunter case.

    According to the lookup ( http://nawccinfo.nawcc.org/LookupSN.php ), model 1904 was only made in grade Bond St, therefore barring any surprises I have now completed the set.

    The lookup says there were 33700 1904s made in total, so they are quite plentiful and this must be one of the easiest Waltham models of which to complete the set.

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    Default Re: unknown Waltham - 1904 model? (By: topspin)

    That is neat to have all configurations, grades and jewel counts of a particular model.

    Of course since it is for the English market, you need the hunting case, half hunter, open face and crystal case to complete the set.

    Even if you wanted to be obsessive and have them in Sterling, gold filled and gold, you would still only need 12 examples to be complete.
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