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    Default Railroad B&B Royal 16S Case - gold content?

    Has anyone seen a B&B Royal case, without any stamping as to gold content, and no indication as to the number of "warranted" years? I have a 992 in such a case. This 16S case can be seen at the following link:

    http://www.picturetrail.com/gallery/...9554&members=1

    My question is, is this case gold filled? What karat? I can see where someone has scraped the inside of the lid, as if to test for gold content.

    Thanks,
    Jerry


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    Default Re: Railroad B&B Royal 16S Case - gold content? (RE: Jerry Bryant)

    I am pretty sure this is a gold filled mark. It is a pity that some idiot damaged the case.

    If you recognize the taste of copper or brass, you can touch the test area with the tip of your tongue and see if it tastes like brass. You will not taste anything with gold.

    You may want to make sure it is clean first.
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    Default Re: Railroad B&B Royal 16S Case - gold content? (RE: Jerry Bryant)

    gold filled, Jerry.

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    Default Re: Railroad B&B Royal 16S Case - gold content? (RE: Jerry Bryant)

    Jerry,

    A listing of most B & B case marks...
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    Default Re: Railroad B&B Royal 16S Case - gold content? (RE: Jerry Bryant)

    I believe B & B Royal were 20 year cases. I have a South Bend Gr. 227, 21j that is housed in a B & B Royal case that is marked Warranted 20 years. It does not, however, state the karat of the gold.

    Joe

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    Default Re: Railroad B&B Royal 16S Case - gold content? (RE: Jerry Bryant)

    Fortunately for me, this B&B Royal case must have been stored for most of the life of the case, because it shows very minimal wear. It has absolutely no brass showing anywhere (under 10X magnification), and the detailed engraving on the case is still crisp. It has some surface scratches.

    Thanks to all for the input, and information!

    Jerry

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    Default Re: Railroad B&B Royal 16S Case - gold content? (RE: Jerry Bryant)

    i will agree gold filled... and also believe 20 year. most likely earlier than the cases marked 20 year.

    karat should not really matter if filled..
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    Default Re: Railroad B&B Royal 16S Case - gold content? (RE: Jerry Bryant)

    Bates & Bacon (B&B) started making cases in the early 1880ís in Attleboro, MA. In 1901, [colour=red]B&B was bought out by the Philadelphia Watch Case Co.[/colour], which in turn, became part of the Crescent Watch Case Co. Nevertheless, the B&B name and the names of some of their gold-filled case grades continued to be used, and guarantees on B&B cases continued to be honored by Philadelphia.

    The [colour=red]Royal[/colour] grade was a gold-flled case originally guaranteed for [colour=red]15 years[/colour], after February 1898 for [colour=red]20 years[/colour].
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    Default Re: Railroad B&B Royal 16S Case - gold content? (RE: Jerry Bryant)



    uh... had not thought of the 'royal' as being the grade.... thanks.
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    Chapter 149 Early American Watch Club .. Home of Russ Snyder Illinois CD database and Henry Burgell Serial number Look-up ... excellent research resources!
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    Default Re: Railroad B&B Royal 16S Case - gold content? (RE: Jerry Bryant)

    Quote Originally Posted by Jon
    gold filled, Jerry.
    Hello, Is anyone taking on replating badly worn filled or plated cases. And what are your thoughts on this type of Restoration. Regards, Ged.

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    Default Re: Railroad B&B Royal 16S Case - gold content? (RE: Jerry Bryant)

    There are sources for replating, but the usual end result is not consistent.

    and yes, I own some cases that have been plated from my early days... older 'brass' cases...

    on many examples I have observed, color on yellow is not 'exactly' right, greens are too green...

    the plating is usually very thin (much! thinner than the original gold thickness) and wears quickly...

    I personally think calling it a 'restoration' is a stretch.... but I don't have a 'better' term... the gold fill on a case once worn cannot be replaced that I know of.
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    http://www.nawcc-carolina17.org/default.htm
    Chapter 149 Early American Watch Club .. Home of Russ Snyder Illinois CD database and Henry Burgell Serial number Look-up ... excellent research resources!
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    Default Re: Railroad B&B Royal 16S Case - gold content? (RE: Jerry Bryant)

    Terry
    I thought my experience with replated cases was just do to a poor workmanship .Now I realise it may be the norm.

    What I found was the color doesn't look quite right and the plating is very thin. I also think you might be more succesfull replating a case that is not carved and without elaborate initials etc.

    bob

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    Default Re: Railroad B&B Royal 16S Case - gold content? (RE: Jerry Bryant)

    The thickness of the plating is a function of current and time... but there are diminishing returns...

    the first few microns will plate, then as it gets thicker, additional current seems to be required to build the thickness... the additional thickness resists additional plating.... so the cycle begins.... ***

    most plating power supplies used in the jewelry trade (not production units) have a small power supply... also limiting the plating.

    Some of the older plating solutions and present solutions contain cyanide... which is fun to work with...







    ** experience with industrial chrome plating anyway...
    Chapter 17 North Carolina
    http://www.nawcc-carolina17.org/default.htm
    Chapter 149 Early American Watch Club .. Home of Russ Snyder Illinois CD database and Henry Burgell Serial number Look-up ... excellent research resources!
    http://www.nawcc-ch149.com/ http://www.nawcc-ch149.com/pw_dbresearch.html
    Chapter 149 Mentor List http://www.nawcc-ch149.com/mentor.html

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    Default Re: Railroad B&B Royal 16S Case - gold content? (RE: Jerry Bryant)

    The sad commentaries on poor quality gold plating experiences is making me that-much-more-appreciative of my hardly-worn B&B Royal case! This leads me into thinking that we should be very sparing about polishing our gold-filled pocket watch cases, as well! Maybe occasionally just wiping off finger prints with a soft cotton cloth, and using no polishing compounds, should be the rule to follow. I'll bet that there are some horror stories that can be told about some gold-filled cases that were avoidably polished down to the brass, by excessive rubbing with gold polishing compounds!

    Jerry

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