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  1. #31

    Default Re: Hamilton 944 total production (RE: BRIANWHALEY)

    Question? Since the 936 was a 17 jewel movement and the 944 a 19 jewel, where were the 2 jewels added?

    Robert

  2. #32

    Default Re: Hamilton 944 total production (RE: BRIANWHALEY)

    In the barrel...

    note the large jewel setting on the barrel bridge...
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  3. #33

    Default Re: Hamilton 944 total production (RE: BRIANWHALEY)

    Terry,
    Thank you very much.

    It appears the 944 was the only 18 size, 19 jewel, movement Hamilton made except for the Ball 999. Was the Ball 999, 19 jewel, the same as the 944 except for the Ball signature?

    Robert

  4. #34

    Default Re: Hamilton 944 total production (RE: BRIANWHALEY)

    Quote Originally Posted by Robert
    Question? Since the 936 was a 17 jewel movement and the 944 a 19 jewel, where were the 2 jewels added?

    Robert

    Quote Originally Posted by terry
    In the barrel ...
    Naturally, at that time, it is the only place that the two extra jewels should go. Read on .......


    Ball's detailed instructions to watch inspectors of the Cleveland & Pittsburg(h) Division of the Pennsylvania Rail Road (known as the "Standard Railroad of the World") as reported in the Jewelers' Circular - Weekly and Horological Review, January 17, 1906, pages 84 & 88 ([colour=blue]Courtesy NAWCC Library[/colour]).

    Referring to Rule 2, page 13, Book of Rules, relative to the inspection of the employes' watches, local watch inspectors will observe the following instructions:...

    ...

    4. The following schedule will govern the standard for new watches (italics original):

    A. ....

    B. ....

    C. - Therefore it is suggested and recommended that employes when purchasing new watches for use in railroad service, should select 17 or 19 jeweled grades, which have steel escape wheels, sapphire pallets, double roller escapements, Breguet hairsprings, patent regulators, adjusted to temperature, isochronism and five positions. Besides the regular standard, 17 jewels, the 19 jeweled watches must have two bearings jeweled in the going parts of the mainspring barrel, to fill all the requirements (italics added).
    Kent
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  5. #35

    Default Re: Hamilton 944 total production (RE: BRIANWHALEY)

    Kent,
    Thank you and I always like the nice references.

    Robert

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    Default Re: Hamilton 944 total production (RE: BRIANWHALEY)

    Hi Terry,

    If interested I have a slightly earlier example with Adjusted 5 Positions on the barrel bridge - sn 521286

    Dave
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  7. #37

    Default Re: Hamilton 944 total production (RE: BRIANWHALEY)

    Hi Dave...

    always interested... will note it...

    Looks like the new addition is coming along

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    Hey Terry,

    Coming along is the least of it! He's up and about already while she crawls commando style wherever he ventures. And Mom's got a new 24x7 job!

    Dave



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  9. #39

    Default Re: Hamilton 944 total production (RE: BRIANWHALEY)

    Now that's an armful !!! Wishing you all well ! And some rest for mom

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  10. #40

    Default Re: Hamilton 944 total production (RE: BRIANWHALEY)

    Here's [colour=red]494542[/colour]. "Adjusted 5 Positions" is above the balance, while '944" is on the right side of the balance bridge. That makes just like Brian's watch, which being so close in serial numbers, is to be expected.
    [edit=36=1177295302][/edit]
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  11. #41

    Default Re: Hamilton 944 total production (RE: BRIANWHALEY)

    Serial #522109 is pictured in Roy Ehrhardt's "1980 Price Indicator" and has a wavy line damaskeen pattern similar to what is seen on some of the 16 size Hayden Wheeler models.

    It is marked "19 Jewels" at the left side of the barrel bridge, "944" at the right side of the barrel bridge, and "Adjusted 5 Positions" in a curve below the jewel setting on the barrel.

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  12. #42

    Default Re: Hamilton 944 total production (RE: BRIANWHALEY)

    As a Hamilton nut, I find Tomís 944 very interesting. As Fred mentioned, other 19J examples have been seen from the same era, but with grade 936 style damascening. In the past, Iíve seen numerous examples of watches that remained in inventory for a number of years or were returned and resold. In many cases, these watches appear to have had the grade number or other markings added prior to final shipment. Iím not sure Iíve seen this dramatic of an upgrade before, but thatís one possible explanation for the pattern and markings on Tomís watch. Anyone have any other thoughts?

    As for serial number 522109. If I remember correctly, this particular watch was sold to Wheeler which would explain the ďWheeler PatternĒ.
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    Default Re: Hamilton 944 total production (RE: BRIANWHALEY)

    I've been meaning to post more in regards to Tom's watch, but am just now getting around to it.

    As Don mentioned earlier, Halligan's notes indicate "The first ten watches - grey bridges - in series - 280101-201-301-401-501-601-701-801-901 - were changed from #936's to #944's." Tom's watch fall's into these series of watches, which explains the "early serial number".

    In reviewing the ledger pages, one will find that Tom's watch (SN 280702) was originally shipped in 1906, but appears to have been returned and was resold in 1918. This would seem to explain the later markings on this particular movement.

    Again, I would like to thank Tom for sharing pictures of this watch.

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    Default Re: Hamilton 944 total production (RE: rrstd)

    Another 944 S/N 494935
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    Default Re: Hamilton 944 total production (RE: terofpa)

    Sorry about adding to this old thread...are there any mechanical or cosmetic differences between the 936s converted to 944s and the earliest of the later 944s?

    Luca

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