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    Default New Hamilton 16s RR Case Model 9 Discovered ! (By: Jim Haney)

    I have stumbled upon a Hamilton 16S Railroad case that as far as I know has not been seen before.

    Look at the pictures and give me your opinion. I have discussed this case with some Hamilton experts. Don D., Terry H., and we think that it is the missing Railroad case number 9.

    I hope that by this post, if there are any more "out there" this will bring them out.


    In any case it is interstering and with Dr.Don Dalhberg's discovery of Dr. Ravels Hamilton records it is possible we are can become more knowledgeable.

    Comments Please.
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    Default New Hamilton 16s RR Case Discovered ! (By: Jim Haney)

    I was able to view this case first hand at Ft. Mitchell Regional. It was wonderful to examine it. Condition is "up there"!

    The case numbers do match.

    The style of the ID stamping in the case back is the same as known examples of Models 3,4,and 6.

    It is believed these cases were made by Fahys, but I don't believe supporting documentation has been discovered (correct me please). I have always based this on the similarities between the rigid bow fahys case and the hamilton model 4 and the similarities of the 181 Illinois case to the model 6 hamilton.

    It seems there have been no advertisements discovered for this case, but if they exist, it would certainly help.

    The existance of the case has been mentioned in some records discovered by Don Dahlberg at the NAWCC Library.

    I understand these records will yield much more info in the future.

    Great find Jim!

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    Default New Hamilton 16s RR Case Discovered ! (By: Jim Haney)

    Here is Lowell Halligan's (Director of Hamilton's Sales Research in the 1940s) take on the model 9 case.

    Railroad Model - Fahys Case - This case was first used with the 974 Lever - billed as follows - 974 L "A" Traffic Special - (Number of case model not noted) - Later used in connection with the 992 Movement.
    Cases received January 1931 - Yellow 10K Gold Filled cost $3.25 - White 14K Gold Filled $3.25 (only price notation on Case Serial Records was 1/13/31 for 170 of each color at price above quoted)

    The illustration matches the case posted by Jim.

    Don Dahlberg

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    Default New Hamilton 16s RR Case Discovered ! (By: Jim Haney)

    Just a comment for the non-RR Hamilton fellas.

    Shugart's, at the end of the Hamilton section, shows two pages of Hamilton Cases.

    Number 9 is conspicous by its Absence.

    The bow, where it meets the watch is slightly different on this watch from those cases pictured in Shugart's.
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    Default New Hamilton 16s RR Case Discovered ! (By: Jim Haney)

    That is correct Henry...

    Each case 'model' shares its own features..so i would expect to see differences when compared to other models. An one also has to consider the cases pictured there were produced by different manufacturers... Wadsworth, Keystone, Star, Fahy's.... each manufacturer would of course have their own way of making a case.

    It is believed the Model A and Model 11 share the same center case ring design, only the bezel pattern and bow pattern make them what they are.

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    Default New Hamilton 16s RR Case Discovered ! (By: Jim Haney)

    Jim:

    That case is a nice find - congratulations!

    And, thanks for sharing it with us.

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    Default New Hamilton 16s RR Case Discovered ! (By: Jim Haney)

    Here is the picture of the model 9 case from Hamilton's records.

    http://home.comcast.net/~dbdahlberg/4992b/ham9.JPG

    Don Dahlberg

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    Default New Hamilton 16s RR Case Discovered ! (By: Jim Haney)

    Jim, Another possible scenerio for the matchup. The dial appears to be a more modern dial for the year SN of the watch, ie block letters. Is it possible that the original owner took the watch in after about 20 years use to be repaired and approved an update on the case and dial. This is known to have been done by railroaders.

    Tom

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    Default New Hamilton 16s RR Case Discovered ! (By: Jim Haney)

    Congrats on a great find!

    Certainly does not look in any way familiar, I probably would have walked right by this one not recognizing the style. Just goes to show that one never knows what they will find when looking further.

    Will be interesting to see if any more turn up ...

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    Default New Hamilton 16s RR Case Discovered ! (By: Jim Haney)

    Thanks Don!!!

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    Default New Hamilton 16s RR Case Discovered ! (By: Jim Haney)

    Update...

    This is not the only example that has been seen.

    I had in my files images of another case from a fellow chapter 17 member. He sent the pics to me in the fall of 2002, and I was waiting to

    1. view the case in person
    2. see if any info came out before I could view the case in person
    3. get permission to use the case

    I contacted the owner to be sure I could post his pictures.

    Of course it is now evident the bow on his example has been replaced, and it contains a movement much earlier than the case.... a grade 990

    His case serial number is 806779 which is lower than jim's example
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    Default New Hamilton 16s RR Case Discovered ! (By: Jim Haney)

    Terry,
    Thanks for helping me identify my watch case. I really wanted the watch for the Fergie dial, but thought the case was interesting. I'm glad to know that it is a No. 9. You were supicious of the bow two years ago - your intuition was correct.

    BTW, if anyone has one of these bows "just laying around", I have a "friend" who may be interested in purchasing it. ;-)
    David

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    Default New Hamilton 16s RR Case Discovered ! (By: Jim Haney)

    UPDATE

    I found a Gold colored Model 9 case at the National in Oklahoma City. This indicated that they were made in White and Gold colored. They were made by Fahy's for Hamilton in the late 20's or early 30's. The serial number of the case is 804707.
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    Default New Hamilton 16s RR Case Discovered ! (By: Jim Haney)

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    Default New Hamilton 16s RR Case Discovered ! (By: Jim Haney)

    Jim:

    Congratulations on a great find!

    Don's January 1931 date (mentioned above) for the No. 9 cases being received is constant with the introduction of the No. 8 case with the 992E in September 1931, and with the No. 10 showing up in 1936.

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