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    KCH
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    Default Howard pocket watch serial number

    I just recieved in the mail a howard17 jewel pocket watch . I have checked the serial numbers in the complete watch guide and unable to find matching numbers . Please help with this query
    Movement Howard watch company 1376232BostonUSA
    17 jewel
    temperature
    3pos.
    Pat.D12

    Thanks
    Second time around

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    Default Howard pocket watch serial number (RE: KCH)

    What information are you actually asking for? You already know that it's a 1912 model, 12-size, 17-jewel movment, adjusted to temperature and three psotions.
    Kent
    That guy down in Georgia

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    KCH
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    Default Howard pocket watch serial number (RE: KCH)

    Well as I am new to collecting watches you will have to forgive my ignorance . I am assuming you are dating the watch from the Pat. D12 number ON THE MOVEMENT.
    I thought that was a patent number for something else.
    So does this mean that it is to new to be listed in research books?
    So its safe to say 1912 right ??
    THANKS KEN

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    Default Howard pocket watch serial number (RE: KCH)

    It's from after the Howard company was sold to the Keystone company, and was made circa 1918. Keystone Howards of this type were made in 17, 19, 21 and 23 jewels.

    Enjoy your watch!

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    KCH
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    Default Howard pocket watch serial number (RE: KCH)

    Thanks for the info .
    I have found more info using keystone in the search rather than howard
    Ken

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    Default Howard pocket watch serial number (RE: KCH)

    Ken:

    The following information is mostly based upon “The Howard Ten Size Watch,” Arthur N. Borg, NAWCC Bulletin No. 129 (August 1967): pp.941-64.

    The Keystone Watch Case Co. purchased the rights to use the Howard name on watches (Note: from the E. Howard Watch & Clock Co.) sometime around 1903, reportedly to provide a market for their better grades of cases. At first, the firm had watches built under the E. Howard name by the American Waltham Watch Co., which Keystone-Howard then marketed. The watches were labeled "E. Howard Watch Co."

    Its said that Keystone "finished" these watches at the New York Standard Watch Co., a firm, based in New Jersey, already owned by Keystone. However, it may be that the "finishing" may have simply meant mounting a dial and placing the movement in a case. The reason for the quotation marks is that the term "finish" in the watch industry usually refers to the process of turning a set of raw movement parts into a smoothly functioning movement, as well as adding whatever decorating that was to be done. The overall quality of watches produced by Standard was well below the high grade watches that Keystone-Howard offered and the New York Standard plant may not have had the necessary capability of such fine work.

    Back in 1901, the Philadelphia Watch Case Co. had purchased the U.S. Watch Co. at Waltham, see:
    elginwatches.org/scans/non_elgin_articles/m_1901_philadelpha_buys_US_watch_co.html
    To view, go to the Elgin Watch Collectors Site Home Page at elginwatches.org, then copy and paste the address in your browser's address bar and click on 'Go'.
    Jerry Treiman reported (old ref::In a Message Board Thread About a U.S. Watch Co. Watch[/url]) that "... the history provided in legal documents for the anti-trust case against Keystone ... states that all of the capital stock of a newly organized Philadelphia Watch Case Co. (August 1900) was owned by Keystone. Thus, Keystone acquired a watch factory in Massachusetts in 1904. By 1905, Keystone-Howard had patented a 16-size, 17-jewel, three-quarter plate movement design which they began making in both hunting-case and open-face versions under the “E. Howard Watch Co.” name. Keystone-Howard stopped manufacturing watches around 1930, a victim of the Depression. The rights to the Howard name for use on watches was then sold to Hamilton.

    A reprint of a 48-page 1912 Howard catalog is available from Vintage Catalogs. The catalog expands on the information shown in this 1913 Ad. Also, a reprint of a 52-page 1918 Howard catalog (Catalogue No. 7) is avialable from [url="http://www.arlingtonbooks.com"]Arlington Books
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    Kent
    That guy down in Georgia

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