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  1. #1

    Default Need help identifying 2 RailRoad pocket watches ...

    Christopher:

    I'm on the way so a longer answer will have to wait. But meanwhile, check out the following ads:

    http://elginwatches.org/scans/non_el...n_special.html

    http://elginwatches.org/scans/non_el...lton_992B.html

    (you should copy these links and paste them in your browser address bar since directly linking to these websites from the NAWCC Message Board is not possible)

    Also, while you're there, take a look around the web site. There is a ton of general pocket watch information there.

    Kent

    That guy down in Georgia
    Kent
    That guy down in Georgia

  2. #2

    Default Need help identifying 2 RailRoad pocket watches ... (By: Kent)

    hi
    here is a 'tip'

    the software of this message board does not recognize html tags.

    If you just put the address in your message, the software will create a link automatically

    like this.

    http://home.rochester.rr.com/meisenz...n/IMG_1380.JPG

    If you want to display the image, click the button at the top of the reply screen that will say display image (hover your mouse over the buttons..... 3rd one from right.

    if you want to attach the image, click the paper clip.

    We can help with the identifications, but it makes it easier with clickable links.

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    Default Need help identifying 2 RailRoad pocket watches ... (By: Kent)

    Oops:

    The old ref::23-jewel 60 Hour Bunn Special came along a little later than the 21-jewel version.

    Kent

    That guy down in Georgia
    Kent
    That guy down in Georgia

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    Default Need help identifying 2 RailRoad pocket watches ... (By: Kent)

    I cut and pasted your photo links, and viewed your pics. Might want to tell us the serial number on the Illinois Bunn.

    I was thinking what a chore to decide which watch I liked the best.

    They are both fine looking watches.
    Superb quality in either of these watches.
    Henry Burgell
    Chapters 149, 15

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    Default Need help identifying 2 RailRoad pocket watches ... (By: Kent)

    Christopher:

    I've had a chance to look at your watches, and your questions, a little closer. You can find the term Double Roller Escapement explained it in A Brief Glossary of Technical Terms . However, you may have to look up a succession of terms to fully understand the explanations.

    992B

    Your Hamilton 992B, Railway Special dates to approximately the late 1950's. The 992B was a very popular watch, lasting in production about 30 years from 1940 to 1969, with some post-production assembly from surplus parts in 1970. During this period well over a half of a million (not quite 526,000) were made. Its in a No. 17 model case, which replaced the earlier No. 2 model case made by the Keystone Watch Case Co. The design is a classic, widely recognized throughout the world. The watch is fitted with a Montgomery dial. This design was patented in, or around, 1906 by Henry S. Montgomery, who was the General Watch and Clock Inspector of the AT&SF Railway from 1896 to 1923. During the 'teens, Hamilton pormoted this dial design for railroad standard watches with the statement 'Montgomery Safety Numerical Dial. "It almost speaks the time."'

    Bunn Special

    The 60 Hour, 23-jewel Bunn Specials seemed to have been introduced several years later than the 60 Hour Sangamo Special and 21-jewel, 60 Hour Bunn Special (see the ads in the links listed up above). I can't quite read the serial number on your Bunn Special movement and you overlooked stating it (if you'd like to tell us the serial number, that would be nice). Lacking the serial number, I'd estimate that the movement was built in the very late 1920's. By the time that the 60 Hour Bunn Special was introduced, it may have been only sold as a complete watch, in a signed, Bunn Special gold, or gold-filled, case. Hence, this watch is probably in a replacement case, not one in which it was origilnally furnished.

    Kent

    That guy down in Georgia
    Kent
    That guy down in Georgia

  6. #6

    Default Need help identifying 2 RailRoad pocket watches ... (By: Kent)

    Chris:

    The serial number 5,240,279 indicates that the movement was built around 1929. In addition to the fact that its believed that these were all factory-cased in signed "Bunn Special" cases, 1929 seems a bit early for the style of case that the movement is in.

    Also, this movement was at the top of the Illinois line when it was built. It's highly unlikely that it would be placed in an inexpensive Base Metal case (which, as I'm sure you now realize, is not white gold). One quick check is to unscrew the bezel and see if there is a second lever slot at the 56 minute position. These second slots appear on "universal" replacement cases. If a lever-set watch is furnished in a factory case, there would only be the one, necessary, lever slot.

    There are several possibilities:

    Very unlikely, it was ordered as a movement only and placed in its current case upon original sale.

    Not likely, to save on cost (railroaders were hard hit prior to the "Black Thursday" onset of the Great Depression), it was swapped out of its factory gold-filled or (unlikely) solid gold case at the time of original sale.

    Possible, it was swapped out of its factory gold-filled or (unlikely) solid gold case during the depths of the depression to recover the value of the gold.

    Most likely, it was swapped out of its original case to enhance its appearance in the late 1940's, or into the 1950's, when the gold on the original gold-filled case was worn through to the brass.

    Kent

    That guy down in Georgia
    Kent
    That guy down in Georgia

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