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    Default Is this a Hamilton case(Wadsworth)

    I recently bought a 1925 Hamilton in what I hope to be a
    Hamilton signed case(not in my hands yet). Unfortunately, there were
    only a few poor photos, and they were not great photos(I have permission to use them).
    I believe I've seen this logo before, maybe Wadsworth
    but I'm not sure. Every once in a while I believe(dream)
    that I just purchased the greatest watch I've ever purchased.
    Most of the time I come back to Earth rather quickly.
    I won't mind if you tell me that it's not Hamilton
    (even though I believe it is now)






    Rob
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    Default Re: Is this a Hamilton case(Wadsworth) (By: musicguy)

    The logo resembles part of the Hamilton Crest seen on presentation cases on the cuvette.

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    Default Re: Is this a Hamilton case(Wadsworth) (By: Tom McIntyre)

    I'm hoping that this is a presentation case(the movement inside should have one), but there
    weren't any photos of the cuvette.


    Rob

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    Default Re: Is this a Hamilton case(Wadsworth) (By: musicguy)

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    Default Re: Is this a Hamilton case(Wadsworth)

    Quote Originally Posted by musicguy View Post
    I'm hoping that this is a presentation case(the movement inside should have one), but there
    weren't any photos of the cuvette.


    Rob


    WHAT IS THE MOVEMENT (size, grade and serial number) (Yes, I"m aware that I'm shouting......out of frustration!)


    Larry <]:>(

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    Default Re: Is this a Hamilton case(Wadsworth)

    Quote Originally Posted by Larry Treiman View Post
    WHAT IS THE MOVEMENT (size, grade and serial number) (Yes, I"m aware that I'm shouting......out of frustration!)


    Larry <]:>(
    Here's the story......

    I found a listing for a broken 17j Hamilton(no size listed) and when I looked at the
    photographs I realized that it was a 12s 23j 922.

    I emailed the seller and asked them:
    "I just want to confirm before I bid, that the watch in the photographs is the same
    watch you are selling. I'm not trying to insult you, just asking."

    They responded, "
    The one and only, Yes it is"

    so I bid on it and won.

    If the watch I get in the mail is a broken 17j Hamilton
    then I will return it. Hopefully it's the beautiful 922
    23j Adjusted 5 positions watch in the photographs.
    But I don't wan't to post a photo
    until I get it. The seller has 100% positive feedback and thousands
    of sales.

    Serial number of Hamilton 3003779

    Rob

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    Default Re: Is this a Hamilton case(Wadsworth)

    Quote Originally Posted by musicguy View Post
    Here's the story......

    I found a listing for a broken 17j Hamilton(no size listed) and when I looked at the
    photographs I realized that it was a 12s 23j 922.

    I emailed the seller and asked them:
    "I just want to confirm before I bid, that the watch in the photographs is the same
    watch you are selling. I'm not trying to insult you, just asking."

    They responded, "
    The one and only, Yes it is"

    so I bid on it and won.

    If the watch I get in the mail is a broken 17j Hamilton
    then I will return it. Hopefully it's the beautiful 922
    23j Adjusted 5 positions watch in the photographs.
    But I don't wan't to post a photo
    until I get it. The seller has 100% positive feedback and thousands
    of sales.

    Serial number of Hamilton 3003779

    Rob
    I find your post a little disconcerting, you say the watch is for, as you say "a broken 17j Hamilton". Yet you then go on to say if that's what it turns out to be you are going to return it, why?? This is what you bid on, what right do you have to return it

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    Default Re: Is this a Hamilton case(Wadsworth)

    This is what you bid on, what right do you have to return it
    When I bid on something, the photographs of the item are a very important part of the sellers description.
    In fact, I would never buy a pocket watch online without a photograph of the actual watch i'm buying.
    I asked them if this watch was the one in their photo(in the listing), they said yes.
    So if it's not the same watch in the photographs with the same serial number, where am I wrong?

    Rob
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    Default Re: Is this a Hamilton case(Wadsworth) (By: musicguy)

    Quote Originally Posted by musicguy View Post
    When I bid on something, the photographs of the item are a very important part of the sellers description.
    In fact, I would never buy a pocket watch online without a photograph of the actual watch i'm buying.
    I asked them if this watch was the one in their photo(in the listing), they said yes.
    So if it's not the same watch in the photographs with the same serial number, where am I wrong?

    Rob
    The descriptions and photographs go together, your are bastardizing the system for your own gain in my opinion. I thought as N.A.W.C.C members we had a code of ethics, apparently I am wrong. Please tell me your Ebay user name via PM so I can make sure you do not bid on anything of mine, as you are the exact type of Customer I would never want.

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    Default Re: Is this a Hamilton case(Wadsworth) (By: Bila)

    All of us see mistaken eBay watch listings. Most of the mistakes are deliberate over-touting, but sometimes a seller doesn't know what he or she is selling and under-touts it. Is it unethical to buy a mistakenly under-touted watch at a bargain price? For example, for every 100 sellers who claim a gold-filled or gold-plated watch is solid gold, there is one seller who describes a solid gold watch as gold-filled or gold-plated. Do we have an ethical duty to tell the seller of his or her mistake, or maywe take advantage of it?
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    Default Re: Is this a Hamilton case(Wadsworth)

    Bila I'm sorry that you feel that way. I'm not on this forum to fight with anyone.
    I felt good that I contacted the seller 2 days before the end of the listing
    to confirm that the watch in the photo is the actual watch they were selling.
    The seller sells tons of watches and clocks since 1986. They understood.
    There is no deception here.

    Rob

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    Default Re: Is this a Hamilton case(Wadsworth)

    Nor am I here to fight either, but when someone makes statements like you have, I see red. We see discussions all the time about that Auction site and bad Sellers and Buyers. If your comment in any way is the way you conduct yourself when Buying/Selling, then we are going to be having the same discussions about bad Buyers/Sellers for a long time.

    As for deception, there is on your part, via your statement about returning the watch if it was not a Grade 922. I can understand someone taking a punt on something that they think might be good but then have the audacity to then want to return the item because it wasn't what they thought is a pretty poor act. Whether you do it or not really is not the question, but you clearly display an intent which brings your reputation into question.

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    Default Re: Is this a Hamilton case(Wadsworth) (By: Bila)

    but then have the audacity to then want to return the item because it wasn't what they thought is a pretty poor act.

    I have a photo of the movement, I know the serial number.
    It's not a guess, or a shot in the dark. And, I confirmed it with the seller.

    I think you do not know all the facts of this particular situation.
    Let's not fight.

    Rob

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    Default Re: Is this a Hamilton case(Wadsworth) (By: musicguy)

    Musicguy,

    It appears the subject watch case was made by the Fahys Watch Case Co.

    Robert

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    Default Re: Is this a Hamilton case(Wadsworth) (By: musicguy)

    The point of contention here is whether the level playing field paragraph in the Member's Code of Ethical Conduct applies to both buyers and sellers. Here is the paragraph:

    a. Provide the buyer with all known information regarding any item offered for sale, trade
    or other purpose, clearly stating its condition and provenance and clearly identifying all
    known or suspected alterations, substitutions, or reproduction items;
    As you can see it does not put constraints on the buyer although many feel that is the essence of the level field, that it applies to both.

    The complete code may be found at https://nawcc.org/images/stories/mem..._5-28-2011.pdf

    My personal practice is to inform any seller of errors in their description if I am considering purchase, whether the error is in their favor or my favor. From this dialog, I suspect It Was uses the same rule. I make an exception for live auctions unless I am sure the auctioneer has misleading information since I do not know what mind games the auctioneer may be playing.
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