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    Default Re: Lancashire watch co front set arbor and wind pw? (By: Roboman)

    Hi Tom, I do have a lot of Verge movements. Have a look at the strange Swiss or French movement. Regards Ray

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    Default Re: Lancashire watch co front set arbor and wind pw? (By: Omexa)

    The movement was never a fusee. The LWC only made two fusee movements which were both full plate. This movement is a Lancashire Watch Company Type 20 which is very similar (almost identical) to the 16 Sz Elgin Model 13 (as an example). The movement was, originally a stem wind, stem set. It is know that there was collaboration between Elgin and the LWC but it is unclear whether these movements were made by Elgin in the USA or in England.

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    Default Re: Lancashire watch co front set arbor and wind pw? (By: Tom McIntyre)

    Thank you
    I suspected that but have seen some front set and wind ship watches etc. This has case screw openings
    I should have measured it when I had it unscrewed but it not too hard to do so again
    thank you very much
    and Ill think about changing it but Ray had a point ,"part of its providence.."

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    Ray I believe it not elephant Ivory but perhaps from tusk ivory I have the inside pic
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    Default Re: Lancashire watch co front set arbor and wind pw? (By: DaveyG)

    Wow
    thanks
    I truly appreciate your time
    rob

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    Default Re: Lancashire watch co front set arbor and wind pw?

    Dear Tom ( sorry I think Davey had said it was a type 20 Lancashire with reversed set and wind.
    what was the size of the Type 20 movement
    same as 16s
    I have to reopen it if I want to
    measure and entertain putting a Verge in.It easy but a bit worrisome as the crews go through the carved base
    Thanks
    Rob

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    Default Re: Lancashire watch co front set arbor and wind pw? (By: Roboman)

    It looks very much like elephant ivory, the alternative would be something like walrus tusk but probably too big for that.
    Nick, lots to learn, late starter.

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    Default Re: Lancashire watch co front set arbor and wind pw? (By: Roboman)

    Rob, making the assumption that the watch movement is based on an Elgin movement it should be an American 16 Sz which is 43.2mm across the dial (pillar) plate

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    Default Re: Lancashire watch co front set arbor and wind pw? (By: DaveyG)

    I was commenting on the distinct possibility that the movement currently in the object is a replacement for a verge that was in there when it was made.

    I am reasonably up to speed on LWC. I am more interested EWCo but I have another Lancashire in the mail to use in discussions of the English machine made watch.
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    Default Re: Lancashire watch co front set arbor and wind pw? (By: Tom McIntyre)

    Perhaps this dial will celebrate 1784, the year when it was the first balloon flight presented to the King of France. Curiously the Montgolfier brothers have never flown, because of a parent's ban.
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    regards enrico

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    Default Re: Lancashire watch co front set arbor and wind pw? (By: eri231)

    Thats year it was sold as 1800
    Im debating a verge movement to restore to the way it most likely was
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    Tom
    This verge would work but what you said about the past of the watch is interesting
    I mean it tells great time and someone reversed parts plus added and arbor so Im impressed
    Here is the front verge im thinking but its pricey [url]https://www.ebay.com/itm/232416804657[/url]
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    Hi Roboman, make sure that the distance between the Hand Setting and the Winding matches your Dial? You should be able to get a Working movement for about half the amount for a Complete Pocket Watch. Regards Ray

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    Default Re: Lancashire watch co front set arbor and wind pw? (By: Omexa)

    Ray can correct me if I am wrong, but extending the arbor in the front of a fusee movement looks pretty easy. You would not need to find a front winding verge movement. The link you posted is to a live auction, so I will have to hide it until the auction is over according to the site rules. (Sorry).
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    Default Re: Lancashire watch co front set arbor and wind pw? (By: Tom McIntyre)

    Hi Tom, it is possible but it would require some work. Best to get a Front Wind like the early McCabe on the left. Look what some fool has done to the Dial in the middle. Regards Ray Click image for larger version. 

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