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    Default Early Patek Philippe from 1850s number 8616

    I just bought this pocket watch and have a few questions about it. I don't have any Patek Philippe literature and there is scant info on the internet. I believe this is authentic and pretty early. I haven't seen another with the same caliber. The watch is about 45mm in diameter. It appears to be decent quality, but not the quality expected in later years. Much of the inner case is worn off, but there is a G remaining and I've found another early Patek Philippe with what I think is the same case mark. Does anyone recognize the case mark? Would this date to some time in the early 1850s? Can anyone recommend someone to replace the crystal and hands and maybe fix the dial? Is it even possible to fix the dial without further damaging it?
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    Default Re: Early Patek Philippe from 1850s number 8616 (By: tgarnold)

    Also, does anyone know how to remove the stem? I assume you have to loosen one of the screws along the path of the stem, but I'm not sure which one or how far to loosen.

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    Default Re: Early Patek Philippe from 1850s number 8616 (By: tgarnold)

    Early Patek Philippe stems are tricky.

    The safest way to to remove the winding bridge. It the one near the pendant. That way you can see how the stem is installed, Some stems snap to an inner stem and others don't.

    It is standard Patek caliber with the subsidiary seconds away from 6 o'clock. It looks authentic to me.

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    Default Re: Early Patek Philippe from 1850s number 8616 (By: tgarnold)

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    regards enrico

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    Default Re: Early Patek Philippe from 1850s number 8616 (By: eri231)

    OK, then what way would be the easiest to get the dial off? I assume it is snapped on.

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    Default Re: Early Patek Philippe from 1850s number 8616 (By: tgarnold)

    It may be a snap on dial. If so there will be cut our on teh case under the removable bezel. Patek in these days booby trapped their watches to insure that ignorant repair people would wreck the watches.

    After you remove the bridge you can take teh watch out of the case. Just leave teh stem in the case. From the photos do not so typical Swiss dial feet but but they may have used American style feet held in by screws from the edge. With teh movement out of the case look for these screws. I fyou find them the indicate where the dial feet are. Loosen these screws several turns and gently lift the dial. I fyou miss ascrew you will crack the dial.

    If you do not find feet but instead find a rim and a few projections to support a pry tool it really is snap on dial.

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    Default Re: Early Patek Philippe from 1850s number 8616 (By: Dr. Jon)

    Now that's an odd place to put the seconds subdial! Adorable
    Seems so wrong at first sight

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    Default Re: Early Patek Philippe from 1850s number 8616 (By: pmwas)

    Yes it is but they did that often in the early days.

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