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    Default Illinois 437

    Hi
    I have a really nice Illinois 12s (extra thin) #437 19jewel PW movement that I just stripped down, cleaned, and replaced the hairspring. It now runs great.
    Now I"m looking for a nice case for it. Being the very thin movement is the problem. Can anyone help with what I can do? It is for my own pleasure not for sale & I will have the re-casing info noted on the inside of the case.
    Thanks

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    Default Re: Illinois 437 (By: Tim Fitzgerald)

    Sad to say, but I think you are going to have a very hard time finding a correct case for you watch. The correct case would almost certainly be a solid gold Knapp case. I have nine examples of this grade and closely related grades 435, 438, and 439. All are in their original cases. Five are in 14k Knapp class or unsigned cases likely by Knapp. Two are in 18k Knapp cases. One is in an unsigned platinum case, likely by Knapp. One Grade 438 in a 14k Solidarity case. Four of these nine cases are also enameled. If photos would help, please Le t me know.

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    Default Re: Illinois 437 (By: Ethan Lipsig)

    As Ethan has said, you will have a very hard time finding a correct gold case for this watch as any surviving cases probably have an equally fine movement already. However, if you are just looking for a case that will fit properly, this movement will fit most of the cases from the extra-thin third model Illinois watches - Marquis, Marquis Autocrat and A. Lincoln (19j). I have also seen some late 1st model movements in gold-filled Wadsworth cases marked "Aristocrat" and some in base metal cases that may have been after-market replacements for these extra-thin watches.
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    Default Re: Illinois 437 (By: Ethan Lipsig)

    I would really like to see the images,Thanks

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    Default Re: Illinois 437 (By: Jerry Treiman)

    Can you guide me on what to search for & where? I see many Illinois 12s watch cases on ebay however they are not the extra thin.
    I would really appreciate your guidance

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    Default Re: Illinois 437 (By: Tim Fitzgerald)

    Grade 435

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    Default Re: Illinois 437 (By: Tim Fitzgerald)

    Grade 437

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    Default Re: Illinois 437 (By: Ethan Lipsig)

    Grade 438

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    Default Re: Illinois 437 (By: Ethan Lipsig)

    Absolutly beautiful I see many Illinois 12s watch cases on ebay however they are not the extra thin, or at least I don't think so.
    What do I search for?

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    Default Re: Illinois 437 (By: Ethan Lipsig)

    Grade 439

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    Default Re: Illinois 437 (By: Ethan Lipsig)

    Tim - if you are looking at empty cases I can’t give you any easy way to spot cases that will fit your grade 437 Illinois other than by physically testing the fit of your movement to the case. If you are looking at complete watches from which you might borrow the case, you need to look for one of the grades I mentions - Marquis, Marquis Autocrat or A.Lincoln. However, since these were factory cased watches I prefer to keep these original and would encourage you or anyone else to do the same. But if you come across one where the movement is not worth restoring, then I see nothing wrong with re-purposing the case. These came in a great variety of cases, but if you spend enough time browsing and looking at them you will get a feel for what might be an extra-thin model case. Beware, though, that some case styles were used for thicker movements, too. You will see the "Aristocrat" name that I mentioned on thicker cases, too.

    A helpful web site might be Jim Carroll’s “A Guide to Illinois Watch Co. size 12 Watches” - http://illinoiswatchguide.com/grade.html
    Look at the grades 525 and 527.
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    Default Re: Illinois 437 (By: Jerry Treiman)

    Thanks Jerry
    I see what you mean, finding a 12s xt is going to be very hard indeed. I will persevere in my search

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    Default Re: Illinois 437 (By: Tim Fitzgerald)

    Your search would be hard if you were seeking an "original" solid gold case, but if you want to buy a Marquis Autocrat or A. Lincoln for its case, you probably could do that at almost any time. There are a few of the former for sale on eBay right now at relatively mordest BIN prices.

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    Default Re: Illinois 437 (By: Ethan Lipsig)

    Thanks
    I looked on Ebay, but none of them say 12s extra thin. Of course I am not sure. Would you take a look? I know it's a big imposition, so I will understand If you don't want to.
    Thanks in either case>

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    Default Re: Illinois 437 (By: Tim Fitzgerald)

    Hi Tim,
    A few things you should know, the stem on a 437 is not the same size as the 525/7 models. do you have a stem? most of the model 525/7 cases come with there own type of crowns and are not interchangeable, so your stem or the new case crown would have to be altered.
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