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    Default Ladies Old Rolex Prima - identify help

    Hello everyone!

    Who knows something more about current ladies rolex case and movement
    I never seen such cases

    thanks

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    Default Re: Ladies Old Rolex Prima - identify help

    Genuine
    Case is made in Geneva
    Manufacturer is: Union Suisse pour l Habillage de la montre. Bienne. Established 1934 (still present)
    For Gold and Platinum watch cases thickness 0.3mm made in Geneva
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    Default Re: Ladies Old Rolex Prima - identify help (By: Adam Harris)

    would . like to see macros of the hallmarks please
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    Hi Jeff,

    There appears to be a version of the Glasgow import mark of two sideways "F"s, and a date letter of "n", but neither are in the usual cartouche format, and since the Glasgow Assay Office closed in 1964, I wonder what these marks actually are.

    This date letter would normally signify 1936 by the way.

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    Default Re: Ladies Old Rolex Prima - identify help (By: gmorse)

    Quote Originally Posted by gmorse View Post
    Hi Jeff,

    There appears to be a version of the Glasgow import mark of two sideways "F"s, and a date letter of "n", but neither are in the usual cartouche format, and since the Glasgow Assay Office closed in 1964, I wonder what these marks actually are.

    This date letter would normally signify 1936 by the way.

    Regards,

    Graham
    wouldn't that be about right for this watch? an import date of 1936 would be correct right?
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    Default Re: Ladies Old Rolex Prima - identify help (By: Jeff Hess)

    Hi Jeff,

    Yes 1936 would match the movement, but it's the format of the marks which puzzles me. They're normally in cartouches, but these are just incuse with borders. There are some examples of the more usual types from David Boettcher here.

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    Default Re: Ladies Old Rolex Prima - identify help

    Quote Originally Posted by gmorse View Post
    Hi Jeff,

    Yes 1936 would match the movement, but it's the format of the marks which puzzles me. They're normally in cartouches, but these are just incuse with borders. There are some examples of the more usual types from David Boettcher here.

    Regards,

    Graham
    Hi Graham
    I hear what you are saying.
    But the SWISS Poincon de Maitre marks are perfect as is the ROLEX SAR mark and cartouche
    Additionally the coronet on back case is correct.

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    Default Re: Ladies Old Rolex Prima - identify help (By: Adam Harris)

    Hi Adam,

    I'm not doubting the veracity of the Swiss marks, or indeed the Glasgow ones, but it is unusual to see the latter in that format. For all I know, Rolex may have had some arrangement with the Glasgow Assay Office to stamp all the marks in the cases themselves; this was standard practice for sponsors' marks, but not that I'm aware of for purity and date. It may also be that Rolex arranged for special punches to be used considering the lightness of these wrist watch case backs. There is a precedent for this in A.L. Dennison's system of supplying a special punching press to the Birmingham Assay Office to ensure consistent placing and minimal damage when striking the marks. This is a question for a historian of assay offices, which I'm certainly not!

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    Default Re: Ladies Old Rolex Prima - identify help (By: gmorse)

    Quote Originally Posted by gmorse View Post
    Hi Jeff,

    Yes 1936 would match the movement, but it's the format of the marks which puzzles me. They're normally in cartouches, but these are just incuse with borders. There are some examples of the more usual types from David Boettcher here.

    Regards,

    Graham
    Graham,

    I may be wrong, but I thought "import marks" had a different layout than manufacturing hallmarks.
    This was made in Switzerland (not sure what city..pics are not that good...(sorry)...) and imported into the UK. Right? Comments?
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    Default Re: Ladies Old Rolex Prima - identify help

    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff Hess View Post
    Graham,

    I may be wrong, but I thought "import marks" had a different layout than manufacturing hallmarks.
    This was made in Switzerland (not sure what city..pics are not that good...(sorry)...) and imported into the UK. Right? Comments?
    agreed
    Swiss case manufacturer with movement and case imported into UK, where it would then need a sponsor mark, city import mark (Glasgow?) and a date letter.

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    Default Re: Ladies Old Rolex Prima - identify help (By: Jeff Hess)

    Hi Jeff,

    You're not wrong; import marks were different, primarily in the design of the Assay Office mark, which in this case is for Glasgow with the two sideways "F"s. (The "local" mark for Glasgow was sometimes hard to interpret, but it was a shield with a tree, bird, bell, fish and ring, and from 1914 an additional mark of a thistle). All the marks contain what they should, it's just that they're incuse that's out of the ordinary.

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