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Thread: Mauthe Mystery

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    Default Mauthe Mystery

    I took some pics of this before disassembling it, but didn't notice this. This is on the strike side, looking up from the bottom of the movement (the strike and chime trains are reversed on this one). It appears to be a worm gear, but nothing is near it, and it appears to serve no purpose (but it must, right?). I don't have extra wheels or anything like that. Have any of you seen this? Have I got something wrong? The train works just fine. This is also the only chain driven movement that I've seen with pulley's for the weights. A former "repairman" did some serious damage on this thing, like bending the %&*@ out of the main wheel sprocket guards.
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    Default Re: Mauthe Mystery (By: shutterbug)

    SB, could you post a pic of the weight/pulley set up?

    Could that worm be part of a stop winding mechanism?

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    Default Re: Mauthe Mystery (By: dickstorer)

    The movement has the normal type of stop works, so no, the gear is not for that.
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    Default Re: Mauthe Mystery (By: shutterbug)

    How about some more pictures of the general area.
    It may have been a part of a rate adjuster or maybe
    a tension adjuster for the strike hammers.
    The end with the pin was obviously for a tool that would be
    a tube with a notch at the end.
    Being a worm great, it was made to be driven form
    that end.
    How about the screws holding it, do they match
    other screws on the movement?
    Tinker Dwight

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    Default Re: Mauthe Mystery (By: shutterbug)

    It turns the little waterwheel while the music box is playing. Check the case to see if there are any jumping baby deer or dancing people.

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    Default Re: Mauthe Mystery (By: kinsler33)

    I expect it's part of the power steering mechanism.

    Glen

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    Default Re: Mauthe Mystery (By: glenhead)

    Not a cuckoo or other music maker, Kinsler I'll post some additional pics today.
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    Here are a couple more quick pictures from the bottom of the movement. You can see that they really compacted the time and chime trains into one small area, and the strike leaves quite a bit of room in the center of the movement. Maybe it was made for something else that this one doesn't have? It also has a very strange click system for the time and strike trains.
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    Default Re: Mauthe Mystery (By: shutterbug)

    See the notch in the strike chain wheel arbor.
    I'm thinking it was part of a night shut off..
    There would be a piece, like chops on a suspension spring
    adjuster, That would ride on the thread.
    It would have a spring loaded end that would engage the notch
    on the chain wheel arbor.
    There would be a crank on the side of the movement to engage
    or disengage the shut off.
    Tinker Dwight

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    Default Re: Mauthe Mystery (By: Tinker Dwight)

    Given the amount of effort put into an apparent problem with the winder, I think Tinker may be onto something.
    What if such a device were locked and someone decided to use the chain to force the clock to strike, couldn't get it to work and went after it with a pry bar or summach, finally destroying the shutoff mechanism which was mostly removed, after the fact.
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    Default Re: Mauthe Mystery (By: MartinM)

    That could be it. Next, I'll take some pictures of the clicks in this thing. Easily the worst excuse of clicks I've ever encountered, INCLUDING Cuckoo's! I need some advise on fixing one that slips.
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    OK, here's the problem click. Dumbest design ever, IMHO. The spring has a sharp end that catches on the brass base. It is allowed to slip one way, and grabs the other. This one needs to be tweaked a bit so it can grab more efficiently. I hope the pic's are clear enough for some advise.
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    Default Re: Mauthe Mystery (By: shutterbug)

    Is the spring end suppose to grab in that mangled brass teeth
    or is it suppose to bind on the center like the ones on the German
    time bombs?
    Tinker Dwight

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    Default Re: Mauthe Mystery (By: Tinker Dwight)

    Well here's a catalog photo of what is probably the same movement you're saddled with. They are fairly common and were used by a plethora of case makers in America and Germany.

    Check if the strike silence lever has any correlation to the lone worm gear. This toggles the chime and strike into warning so it remains completely silent. The other lever just bars off the chime hammers so the clock still strikes the hours (and albeit silently, activates each quarter hour).
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    Default Re: Mauthe Mystery (By: shutterbug)

    How snug is the spring over the brass tube, there should be no sharp edges on the spring, it shouldn't dig in, if the spring is a loose fit it will never work, the spring needs to be a close fit to the tube to the point you need to unwind it as you fit the spring on, as you wind the clock the spring expands to allow the tube to slip then tightens as the weight is applied.

    You need to make a new tube that fits the spring better or a new spring.

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