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    Default Re: The Hidden Perils of Counterfeit Watches (By: Adam Harris)

    Quote Originally Posted by Adam Harris View Post
    Thanks for pointing that out. I am mighty impressed this must therefore be the ONLY forum where it is acceptable to discuss and indeed condone fake watches.

    By buying and happily wearing them, "one" is condoning fake (counterfeit) manufacturers and in "condoning" it you are supporting illegal trademark infringement, damage to an industry that I believe members of NAWCC should be supporting.

    Its illegal to own (wear) stolen property, why you think its "legal" or allowed to wear stolen trademark infringement!

    Adam
    So Adam, since this post of yours (the one I am quoting) is clearly a discussion of fake watches, would you like me to remove it?
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    Default Re: The Hidden Perils of Counterfeit Watches

    This topic is going in the wrong direction.
    I don't believe anyone here is promoting the
    sale of "fake" watches. We all agree
    on the big picture.



    Rob

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    Default Re: The Hidden Perils of Counterfeit Watches (By: Accutronica)

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    i don't think that it's acceptable to repair them either. If we allow that why not allow other countries to steal business secrets? Where does it stop?
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    Default Re: The Hidden Perils of Counterfeit Watches

    Quote Originally Posted by Adam Harris View Post
    Discussions to fake watch merits, or discussions where people openly admit they wear such parts, is incorrect and condones an illegal practice.

    Helping people with simple statement like its "Fake" or its "genuine" is not a discussion, but a simple guidance.
    Very big difference.

    And its mighty strange to me that only NAWCC forum would allow a discussion on fakes where people can state its "acceptable to buy and wear fakes"

    Adam
    You started this thread, when you got caught smuggling fake watches and thought we should know about it. Just say the word and we will either delete the thread or lock it to further posting.
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    Default Re: The Hidden Perils of Counterfeit Watches (By: harold bain)

    I wear a fake Tag, not going to stop wearing it, its my property.
    I dont tell people that they cant wear their watches.
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    Default Re: The Hidden Perils of Counterfeit Watches (By: Kevin W.)

    Since this board is here for educational purposes I think it would be foolish to forbid discussion of counterfeit watches. It is actually an increasingly important topic as counterfeiters get better at their “craft”. Nevertheless, we also should not be in the position of telling people what they can and can’t do with their personal property, so long as we do not condone perpetrating a fraud on others. I would say that personal use should not even be an issue here.

    As for the title topic “... hidden perils ... “ let me note that I have two counterfeit watches (given to me, not purchased) - a *artier *ank watch and a *olex (asterisks added). I would never wear either since it would be just too ironic to get mugged for a worthless watch. Also, I would not wear a watch of which I couldn't be proud.
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    Default Re: The Hidden Perils of Counterfeit Watches

    All fake watches are good for is target practice.

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    Default Re: The Hidden Perils of Counterfeit Watches (By: Accutronica)

    Very few people look at what one might wear in today,s world.
    As for some of the replies, expected.
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    Default Re: The Hidden Perils of Counterfeit Watches

    I've got a box full of fake watches that came about because I told the customer that they were unrepairable. The customer wasn't interested in spending more money than they paid for it and bought a new watch.

    As for the one I've mentioned as the most recent I've seen, they wanted it to be working for their overseas trip. I fitted a good Citizen movement and the glass but did it as they were boarding the plane. When they get back, I'll tell them that it was a good thing they didn't take it overseas for it may have been confiscated at some border or other.

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    Default Re: The Hidden Perils of Counterfeit Watches (By: roughbarked)

    I completely agree with Adam about not repairing fake watches. I forbid my watchmakers to fix them.

    Primarily because it promotes a theft of intellectual property and design patents, but also for the more practical reason...they do not repair well for the most part and we can not guarantee our servicing.

    My personal opinion is that those who wear them are aiding and abetting the enemy.
    Jeffrey P. Hess, collector, historian, writer, CEO Ball WATCH USA

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    Default Re: The Hidden Perils of Counterfeit Watches (By: Jeff Hess)

    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff Hess View Post
    I completely agree with Adam about not repairing fake watches. I forbid my watchmakers to fix them.

    Primarily because it promotes a theft of intellectual property and design patents, but also for the more practical reason...they do not repair well for the most part and we can not guarantee our servicing.

    My personal opinion is that those who wear them are aiding and abetting the enemy.
    My master used a couple of codes rather than write or tell a story. NBG(NoBluddyGood), NWR(NotWorthRepair).

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    Default Re: The Hidden Perils of Counterfeit Watches (By: Jeff Hess)

    Jeff, I'm of the same opinion on fake Chinese clocks. I don't fix them, mostly because I can't guarantee them. No quality there.
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    Default Re: The Hidden Perils of Counterfeit Watches (By: harold bain)

    Quote Originally Posted by harold bain View Post
    Jeff, I'm of the same opinion on fake Chinese clocks. I don't fix them, mostly because I can't guarantee them. No quality there.
    It is best to be honest with the customer. I can probably say this because apart from doing contract work at home by mail, my only real experience is as a watchmaker in a retail jewellery store. Where telling the customer that their watch is no good and even if it was, it would cost this much to repair. "We actually have much better quality watches on the shelf here for quite a bit less".

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    Default Re: The Hidden Perils of Counterfeit Watches

    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff Hess View Post
    I completely agree with Adam about not repairing fake watches. I forbid my watchmakers to fix them.

    Primarily because it promotes a theft of intellectual property and design patents, but also for the more practical reason...they do not repair well for the most part and we can not guarantee our servicing.

    My personal opinion is that those who wear them are aiding and abetting the enemy.
    Give that man a CEEEEEEGAR

    100% agree
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