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    Default Re: The Hidden Perils of Counterfeit Watches

    Quote Originally Posted by roughbarked View Post
    It is a free world and entrepreneurs can make money. I had a fake Rolex with an unrerpairable type of quartz movement, the case filled with plastic, come in to replace the crystal. I can replace the crystal but not before I told her that the watch was rubbish. She told me that an Indian friend had given it to her and that she wanted to respect the gift. She knew it wasn't a Rolex. I said well the movement is not going to go. I can replace the movement with one that has the exact dial feet holes and virtually exactly the same date mechanism. ie: I can replace the movement but I need a date ring that shows at 4. I only have one that shows at 6. I tried to steal your date ring but it has a step on the underside otherwise it would fit. So I have to order a new Miyota movement. The main difference will be that this new movement will be serviceable.

    The odd thing is that the customer is wealthy enough to own real Rolexes. As many as she wants.
    It is illegal to manufacture and sell fake anything.
    In my opinion it should be illegal to wear them, if it was the market may get stopped.

    It is also not allowed to discuss counterfeit watches on the forum.
    My blog was surely not meant to discuss ANY MERIT to them but the pitfalls.

    Manufacturing and selling counterfeit watches is ILLEGAL>
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    Default Re: The Hidden Perils of Counterfeit Watches (By: Adam Harris)

    Quote Originally Posted by Adam Harris View Post
    It is illegal to manufacture and sell fake anything.
    In my opinion it should be illegal to wear them, if it was the market may get stopped.

    It is also not allowed to discuss counterfeit watches on the forum.
    My blog was surely not meant to discuss ANY MERIT to them but the pitfalls.

    Manufacturing and selling counterfeit watches is ILLEGAL>
    adam
    Well I don't manufacture them nor sell them.
    I've only really said that I have seen them and that I tell the customers that they are wearing a fake.

    The swiss "fakes" of my apprenticeship days were usually a BFG movement in a watch labelled Buler Bulva or Cimier. They simply relied on customer ignorance to sell purported fakes.

    It is up to the Brand name owners to create a lack of ignorance.
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    Default Re: The Hidden Perils of Counterfeit Watches (By: roughbarked)

    Can someone point to the rule. Not allowed to discuss counterfeit watches on this forum. Thanks.
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    Default Re: The Hidden Perils of Counterfeit Watches (By: Kevin W.)

    I agree that "fakes" are bad for everyone(nothing positive about them), but
    when you say, "In my opinion it should be illegal to wear them"
    that's where you loose me.



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    Default Re: The Hidden Perils of Counterfeit Watches (By: musicguy)

    Yes me too, your statement, "In my opinion it should be illegal to wear them".
    How can you tell someone they cant use their personal property. I have one and i wear it, i see no harm in that.
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    Default Re: The Hidden Perils of Counterfeit Watches (By: Kevin W.)

    Quote Originally Posted by Kevin W. View Post
    Can someone point to the rule. Not allowed to discuss counterfeit watches on this forum. Thanks.
    There ius no such rule, Kevin, and of course there never will be. It's Adam's error.
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    Default Re: The Hidden Perils of Counterfeit Watches (By: MartyR)

    Quote Originally Posted by MartyR View Post
    There ius no such rule, Kevin, and of course there never will be. It's Adam's error.
    Thanks for pointing that out. I am mighty impressed this must therefore be the ONLY forum where it is acceptable to discuss and indeed condone fake watches.

    By buying and happily wearing them, "one" is condoning fake (counterfeit) manufacturers and in "condoning" it you are supporting illegal trademark infringement, damage to an industry that I believe members of NAWCC should be supporting.

    Its illegal to own (wear) stolen property, why you think its "legal" or allowed to wear stolen trademark infringement!

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    Default Re: The Hidden Perils of Counterfeit Watches

    Adam, does your course not discuss (and indeed condone by discussing) fake watches? We discuss fake watches by pointing them out to people who didn't know they had a fake watch.
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    Default Re: The Hidden Perils of Counterfeit Watches (By: Adam Harris)

    Discussion of fake and counterfeit timepieces seems a perfectly acceptable way to educate interested parties in distinguishing the differences between them and the genuine articles. Isn't that essentially what your Luxury or Lie course is all about? So, you would not allow us to do the same here?
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    Default Re: The Hidden Perils of Counterfeit Watches

    Quote Originally Posted by harold bain View Post
    Adam, does your course not discuss (and indeed condone by discussing) fake watches? We discuss fake watches by pointing them out to people who didn't know they had a fake watch.
    My course teaches how to tell the difference between "genuine" and "fakes"
    In all cases it clearly states the inadequacies and faults with fakes and the reasons why fakes can "only give the appearance" of genuine pieces.

    I teach people why fake watches are bad, to buy, to wear and to the genuine industry.
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    Default Re: The Hidden Perils of Counterfeit Watches

    Quote Originally Posted by Steven Thornberry View Post
    Discussion of fake and counterfeit timepieces seems a perfectly acceptable way to educate interested parties in distinguishing the differences between them and the genuine articles. Isn't that essentially what your Luxury or Lie course is all about? So, you would not allow us to do the same here?
    Discussions to fake watch merits, or discussions where people openly admit they wear such parts, is incorrect and condones an illegal practice.

    Helping people with simple statement like its "Fake" or its "genuine" is not a discussion, but a simple guidance.
    Very big difference.

    And its mighty strange to me that only NAWCC forum would allow a discussion on fakes where people can state its "acceptable to buy and wear fakes"

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    Default Re: The Hidden Perils of Counterfeit Watches (By: Adam Harris)

    Wondering where anyone said it was acceptable to wear them. Not me anyway.

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    Default Re: The Hidden Perils of Counterfeit Watches (By: roughbarked)

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    Wondering where anyone said it was acceptable to wear them. Not me anyway.
    I don't think that it's acceptable to repair them either. If we allow that why not allow other countries to steal business secrets? Where does it stop?

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    Default Re: The Hidden Perils of Counterfeit Watches (By: Accutronica)

    Thanks Marty. I am lost for words sometimes.
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    Default Re: The Hidden Perils of Counterfeit Watches (By: Accutronica)

    Quote Originally Posted by Accutronica View Post
    I don't think that it's acceptable to repair them either. If we allow that why not allow other countries to steal business secrets? Where does it stop?
    The fake Rolex I mentioned came in for a glass. I fit glasses to all sorts of watches. I told her it was a fake and that it wasn't going to go without a new movement anyway. While it was there I checked and I could see that The dial was made to fit a plastic insert found on Citizen watches.

    I see on average four or five real Rolexes a year and often as not four or five fake rolexes a month. I doubt anybody in their right mind ever thought it was a real Rolex. In most instances if you asked them what the brand name was on their watch, they wouldn't know.

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