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    Default Re: NEW HAVEN CLOCK fan issue (By: Willie X)

    I had removed the fan to get a better look at things and after studying on it
    for a while, pressed one of the gears over to line up with the driving wheel (S4).
    This worked fine and the movement is up and running. The strike runs good
    and is making no noise.
    There had to be some sort of synthetic material between those gears that rotted out over time. Not sure what they had back then, maybe the stuff used to make wall switch plates.
    synthane?

    I try to understand why things are made the way they are as I move along in clock repair, but I'm always happy to get it working.

    thanks for the input.
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    Default Re: NEW HAVEN CLOCK fan issue (By: John P)

    Quote Originally Posted by John P View Post
    I had removed the fan to get a better look at things and after studying on it
    for a while, pressed one of the gears over to line up with the driving wheel (S4).
    This worked fine and the movement is up and running. The strike runs good
    and is making no noise.
    There had to be some sort of synthetic material between those gears that rotted out over time. Not sure what they had back then, maybe the stuff used to make wall switch plates.
    synthane?

    I try to understand why things are made the way they are as I move along in clock repair, but I'm always happy to get it working.

    thanks for the input.
    Glad you got it going, John. Could you post photos of the clock case it is in? I guess you could be right about a synthetic material between the two gears, but what was the purpose? Still a mystery to me.
    Will Walker (WOW)

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    Default Re: NEW HAVEN CLOCK fan issue (By: wow)

    It might have been there to take out the harmonics of the sound. I have had some butterfly's in the past that sounded like a train going down the tracks. Very strange set up.
    R&A it is what it is

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    Default Re: NEW HAVEN CLOCK fan issue (By: R&A)

    I'm very curious about the second gear, and what purpose it serves. I just checked the one on the auction site, and it still has 6 hours before the sale is complete. After it is finished, it is legal to link to it here.
    A man with a clock always knows the time. A man with two clocks is never sure.

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    Default Re: NEW HAVEN CLOCK fan issue (By: shutterbug)

    Quote Originally Posted by shutterbug View Post
    I'm very curious about the second gear, and what purpose it serves. I just checked the one on the auction site, and it still has 6 hours before the sale is complete. After it is finished, it is legal to link to it here.
    Well it will certainly make this thread more understandable. Still don't know why we can link it if we don't discuss value / price etc. We are adults here and understand the intent of the rules...I hope.

    David
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    Quote Originally Posted by David S View Post
    Well it will certainly make this thread more understandable. Still don't know why we can link it if we don't discuss value / price etc. We are adults here and understand the intent of the rules...I hope.

    David
    It's a good rule, David ... but in cases like this it would be tempting to make an exception. We just can't do that, unfortunately. It would be possible to post the picture from the auction here if permission to do so were granted by the owner. That would also keep the thread intact for future searchers. I have contacted the owner of the pictures and asked for permission to use them here. I also gave him a link to this discussion, and if he joins us he may just post them himself
    Last edited by shutterbug; 04-18-2017 at 10:06 AM.
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    Default Re: NEW HAVEN CLOCK fan issue (By: shutterbug)

    Quote Originally Posted by shutterbug View Post
    I'm very curious about the second gear, and what purpose it serves. I just checked the one on the auction site, and it still has 6 hours before the sale is complete. After it is finished, it is legal to link to it here.
    I see a completed listing for the same movement. This is not the first time he's had it for sale.
    Is it legal to post that link?

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    Default Re: NEW HAVEN CLOCK fan issue

    Quote Originally Posted by Dave T View Post
    I see a completed listing for the same movement. This is not the first time he's had it for sale.
    Is it legal to post that link?
    link
    Yes, just note that when it disappears from their site the posted will be gone too
    edit: I just received permission to use the photo(s) from the sale. Here's the one that is most desired:
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    Default Re: NEW HAVEN CLOCK fan issue (By: shutterbug)

    Quote Originally Posted by shutterbug View Post
    link
    Yes, just note that when it disappears from their site the posted will be gone too
    edit: I just received permission to use the photo(s) from the sale. Here's the one that is most desired:
    Here's the link as noted: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Weird-Antiqu...sAAOSwA3dYb7yk

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    Default Re: NEW HAVEN CLOCK fan issue (By: shutterbug)

    I believe the same person or related put the extra pinion on there
    to keep the fan from sliding sideways, rather than fix the notch
    on the fan.
    I have a clock that the dimple on the fan had warn off and was
    no longer keeping the fan in place.
    I carefully supported the arbor and repunched the dimple.
    I suspect the problem is that if one slides the fan off to tighten
    the fan, the dimple bends the center piece too much when installing
    the fan, making it loose. Rather than deal with the dimple, they are
    using the pinion as a collet to keep the fan from sliding too far.
    I would have thought there might be a better way.
    I don't believe this was done this way from the factory.
    Tinker Dwight

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    Default Re: NEW HAVEN CLOCK fan issue

    That makes sense Tinker, but only if the OP is also the seller on the auction site. Otherwise we have two movements with the same set-up
    A man with a clock always knows the time. A man with two clocks is never sure.

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    Default Re: NEW HAVEN CLOCK fan issue (By: Tinker Dwight)

    I recently worked on a loose fan where someone previously had drilled a small hole through the arbor and installed an S wire to keep the fan from moving around. It worked well but looked a bit funky. I ended up leaving it in place since the hole was already there and just tightened the slot spring on the fan to limit the looseness on the arbor. As you suggest, this extra pinion probably served the same purpose.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tinker Dwight View Post
    I believe the same person or related put the extra pinion on there
    to keep the fan from sliding sideways, rather than fix the notch
    on the fan.
    I have a clock that the dimple on the fan had warn off and was
    no longer keeping the fan in place.
    I carefully supported the arbor and repunched the dimple.
    I suspect the problem is that if one slides the fan off to tighten
    the fan, the dimple bends the center piece too much when installing
    the fan, making it loose. Rather than deal with the dimple, they are
    using the pinion as a collet to keep the fan from sliding too far.
    I would have thought there might be a better way.
    I don't believe this was done this way from the factory.
    Tinker Dwight
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    Default Re: NEW HAVEN CLOCK fan issue (By: John P)

    Well, it would stop the fly in one direction but not the other, so I wouldn't see this as plausible. A company wouldn't use a cut gear for this either, I don't think. They had several plastics back then but it's funny that these two movements pop up with no one ever seeing this feature before.
    Willie X

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    Default Re: NEW HAVEN CLOCK fan issue (By: Willie X)

    Quote Originally Posted by Willie X View Post
    Well, it would stop the fly in one direction but not the other, so I wouldn't see this as plausible. A company wouldn't use a cut gear for this either, I don't think. They had several plastics back then but it's funny that these two movements pop up with no one ever seeing this feature before.
    Willie X

    It is a strange one at that. I also don't see why one would want to add inertial
    mass to the arbor but maybe that was the intent. The strike stalls and the little
    bit of additional fly wheel effect gets the strike past the stall point.
    Not a particularly good idea but possible.
    Do note that the fly of the ebay one is not in the notch as well.
    I get the feeling this was done by the same person.
    Tinker Dwight

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    Default Re: NEW HAVEN CLOCK fan issue (By: Tinker Dwight)

    Here are the pictures of the repair and the clock. It defiantly is not the one on that site.
    The fan was tight and has a good fit to the arbor. The extra gear was not there to hold the fan over. Not sure why it was built that way unless there was some fiber in between the two.
    The movement has a rack and snail set up. I am missing the hammer.

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