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    Hi all,
    I saw a watch today that someone wanted to sell me. It had a dial marked Benjamin Franklin, a movement marked Benjamin Franklin, it was a 17 jewel open faced watch, I believe it was an 18 size. It had a getty movement so figure it must be an Illinois movement, but can not find any information on this watch, in either my Illinois blue book, or any other book that I have. If it is a great find I will look this fellow up again, and see what he really wants for it. The dial is a little rough, but movement looks good.
    Any help as to what it might be or is would be appreciated.
    Thanks,
    Bill

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    Default Re: Benjamin Franklin (By: pmwas)

    The Getty movement is a 16s. These were the private label of the Oskamp-Nolting company in Cincinnati. They were made in both 16 and 18 size. The 16s were made in both 17 and 25 jewel versions. I believe all of the 25 jewel versions were Sangamo grade and were exclusively made for Oskamp-Nolting and marked BF. The 17 jewel version was a much lower grade watch. Most of the good dials from 17j watches have been switched to replace bad dials on the higher grade watches.

    This is a very interesting private label but the lower grades are not much sought after by collectors...except for the dials.
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    Default Re: Benjamin Franklin (By: Bill Manders)

    Just for clarity, the 21 j version fits between the 17 j and the 25 j movements.

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    Default Re: Benjamin Franklin (By: 179)

    Thanks for all the good info, I will have to consider it when I can find out what he might want for it. It has a dial that is somewhat ratty, and I can imagine that will be a tough one.
    Thanks again,
    Bill

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    Default Re: Benjamin Franklin (By: Bill Manders)

    Quote Originally Posted by Bill Manders View Post
    Thanks for all the good info, I will have to consider it when I can find out what he might want for it. It has a dial that is somewhat ratty, and I can imagine that will be a tough one.
    Thanks again,
    Bill,

    If the dial is just dirty and with a few hairlines it might still be a great thing to have...Illinois dials will clean up pretty easily. If the dial has chips and repairs and actual cracks....that's another matter.
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    Default Re: Benjamin Franklin (By: John Cote)

    Quote Originally Posted by John Cote View Post
    The Getty movement is a 16s. These were the private label of the Oskamp-Nolting company in Cincinnati. They were made in both 16 and 18 size. ...
    They also made a very fine 12-size Benjamin Franklin (this one, unfortunately, not mine).
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    Default Re: Benjamin Franklin (By: Jerry Treiman)

    Jerry, do you know if the Ben Franklin grade 299 HC came in 23J also?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom McIntyre View Post
    Jerry, do you know if the Ben Franklin grade 299 HC came in 23J also?
    I don't know, but I have not seen one (hunting or open-face). The only 23j grade 299 hunter that I have seen was marked for Illinois themselves. Jim Carroll may have more information.
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    Default Re: Benjamin Franklin (By: Jerry Treiman)

    Tom,
    So far there are only 2 runs of 23j hunter movements recorded,
    1906. 1921971 - 1921980 = 10, no information on this run.
    1909. 2208301 - 2208400 = 100, Ariston 20, Illinois 80. Estimate.

    The Oskamp-Nolting Co. Ad in Meggers Vol 2 is dated 1910 and shows only 21j 299 grade OF or H models.
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