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    Registered user. ANDY YALE's Avatar
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    Default 18s Keywind "Manhattan" - who made this thing?

    I just bought this gem on our favorite on line auction site for cheap. All I wanted was the case, but now I have the movement, I'm curious to know from whence it sprang. It looks American to me, and the jewels look genuine. Hairspring appears to be busted off and hanging.
    Can anyone shine the headlight of knowledge on this stray?
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    Default Re: 18s Keywind "Manhattan" - who made this thing? (By: ANDY YALE)


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    Default Re: 18s Keywind "Manhattan" - who made this thing? (By: Dave Coatsworth)

    This has the characteristic exaggerated curves on the barrel bridge that one sees on many Swiss fakes. I think they were trying to make it look a little like an Illinois.Click image for larger version. 

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    Smile Re: 18s Keywind "Manhattan" - who made this thing? (By: ANDY YALE)

    Andy:

    You can see a very similar Manhattan movement in the 'Examples' section of the Swiss Fake Encyclopedia article.
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    Default Re: 18s Keywind "Manhattan" - who made this thing? (By: Kent)

    I was born in Manhattan, it would be cool
    if there actually was a Manhattan Watch Co.
    Can you post a photo of the dial?




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    Default Re: 18s Keywind "Manhattan" - who made this thing? (By: musicguy)

    Rob,

    There was indeed a Manhattan Watch Co. that operated from ~1883-1891 (completely unrelated to the watch posted in this thread).

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    Default Re: 18s Keywind "Manhattan" - who made this thing? (By: TimeAntiquarian)

    I just assumed there wasn't because many of these Swiss fakes have
    "close" but not exact names of real watch companies. I did look
    and see some examples on Ebay.

    Rob

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    Default Re: 18s Keywind "Manhattan" - who made this thing? (By: musicguy)

    Yes, on second look I noticed the "crossed" seven in the serial number - a dead giveaway. I saw a couple of examples of other "Manhattan" watches - they all have the oversize balance jewel with the three hold down screws.
    Most of the Swiss fakes I've seen have fake jewels, ornate plates with lots of writing in fancy script and a name on the dial.
    I'm learning that there are subtleties to the Swiss fake thing.
    But what were they trying to fake? Doesnt look anything like the MWC dollar watches, and if I recall right the Illinois Manhattan was a 3/4 plate.
    Anyway, its got a good Dueber coin silver case.

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    Default Re: 18s Keywind "Manhattan" - who made this thing? (By: ANDY YALE)

    this has more resemblence to the Waltham 1857

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    Smile Re: 18s Keywind "Manhattan" - who made this thing? (By: musicguy)

    Quote Originally Posted by musicguy View Post
    I just assumed there wasn't because many of these Swiss fakes have
    "close" but not exact names of real watch companies. I did look
    and see some examples on Ebay.

    Rob
    Here are some "Manhattan Watch Co." ads:


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    Default Re: 18s Keywind "Manhattan" - who made this thing? (By: Kent)

    "Cheapest Line of Low-Priced Watches Ever Offered to the Trade"
    If this is how they describe themselves it doesn't speak well for the watch.



    Rob

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    Default Re: 18s Keywind "Manhattan" - who made this thing? (By: richiec)

    I agree with Richie. This looks like somebody's lame attempt at faking a Waltham 1857/1877.

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    Default Re: 18s Keywind "Manhattan" - who made this thing? (By: topspin)

    Here is an early Manhattan with the large winding wheel, time only, no sweep second hand.
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