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    Default Vintage Small Women's Watches

    I now have 3 very small women's watches most likely from the era of post WWII to perhaps the 1960s. These would be size 16/0 or smaller? Two of the watches I have belonged to my late mother and grandmother. The movements are not US made.

    My question is - are there collectors who specialize in these watches? Share information and knowledge on these?

    Rodney Boatman

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    Default Re: Vintage Small Women's Watches (By: Rodney Boatman)

    There are collectors for everything.

    16/0 can you tell me what this means?
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    Default Re: Vintage Small Women's Watches (By: roughbarked)

    The 16/0 is a very small movement size. Just like an 18 size is a larger pocket watch. The movement width of a 16/0 size is about 0.67 inches.

    I will try to take a picture of one of the watches.

    Regards, Rodney Boatman

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    Default Re: Vintage Small Women's Watches (By: Rodney Boatman)

    Please post some photographs.




    Rob

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    Default Re: Vintage Small Women's Watches (By: musicguy)

    OK - I have a photo of a couple of these watches and a very small Lady Elgin 23 movement (23 jewels).

    Really, my original question was posted to get a thread or discussion going on these types of watches.

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    Default Re: Vintage Small Women's Watches (By: Rodney Boatman)

    There just isn't much demand for these watches.

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    Default Re: Vintage Small Women's Watches (By: MINI)

    Quote Originally Posted by MINI View Post
    There just isn't much demand for these watches.
    Not at the moment no. The ladies all wear larger watches than the gents in this day and age.

    Don't toss them away though. These are some fine examples of small ligne movements.

    It is 40 years since I've used inches.

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    Default Re: Vintage Small Women's Watches (By: MINI)

    The triangular one is unusual enough to be worthy of repairs but the plain ones just don't seem to be in fashion right now. They are so small they are tough to tell time with or even wind; not much fun to work on either. A few years back a dealer at the flea market was buying non-runners for three bucks each and sending them to China where they were strung into bracelets. I found six hundred sitting around the office! I saved the cool ones and movements for repairs so I'll be ready if they come back into vogue.

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    Default Re: Vintage Small Women's Watches (By: 4thdimension)

    I haven't found occasion to wear a ladies' watch but I do collect some of the small ones made by Waltham in the 'teens and 'twenties. Their smallest movements at this time measured 7-1/2 lignes (16/0 - in the oblong octagon case) and 5-1/4 lignes (in the rectangular case). These were their most expensive movements. They were cased artistically in gold or platinum.
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    Jerry Treiman, NAWCC member since 1971
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    Default Re: Vintage Small Women's Watches (By: Jerry Treiman)

    Maybe of interest? https://www.jamesedition.com/stories...alibre-101-209

    What I find of interest is that in modern watches is that the standard sizes basically set by the FHF ST 69 and the AS 1012 Movements more than fifty years ago are most often the same size movements that are inserted in a huge watch case via a huge lump of plastic retaining ring.
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    Default Re: Vintage Small Women's Watches (By: roughbarked)

    Quote Originally Posted by roughbarked View Post
    Maybe of interest? https://www.jamesedition.com/stories...alibre-101-209

    What I find of interest is that in modern watches is that the standard sizes basically set by the FHF ST 69 and the AS 1012 Movements more than fifty years ago are most often the same size movements that are inserted in a huge watch case via a huge lump of plastic retaining ring.
    Thanks roughbarked, that was a delightful read. After some practice and I start feeling courageous, I'll start on my ladies watches. The good thing is that I have 20 or 30 ladies movements to practice on before I get to my more desirable Bulova, Gruen, and others. But just because I can't find much info on a brand name of a movement, I'm not going to treat them as junk.

    Robert

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    Default Re: Vintage Small Women's Watches (By: Accutronica)

    These are the movement calibers that are in the two watches I showed in post #9
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    They have gold gear trains, gold jewel settings, steel escape wheels, highly adjusted and were, by far, Waltham’s most expensive movements. Following are the prices listed in Waltham catalogs from 1923 and 1926 and a Benjamin Allen & Co wholesale catalog from 1924. Keep in mind that these prices are just for a movement, and then they were custom-cased in gold or platinum by the better jewelers.

    __________________........round......rectangular
    Waltham 1923 & 1926 .......$150..........$170
    Benj.Allen & Co.1924 .........$180..........$206

    The platinum rectangular watch with diamonds and black onyx, that I showed in my earlier post, was listed for $2,000 in a 1921 National Geographic advertisement. The octagonal watch is earlier - ca.1916. I believe these watches were in the vanguard of the Art Deco movement in the United States and are quite collectible.
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    Default Re: Vintage Small Women's Watches (By: Jerry Treiman)

    Mine aren't worth that much, but I have a nice Bulova 1926 5AP.
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    Default Re: Vintage Small Women's Watches (By: Jerry Treiman)

    I have one of those impressive little 7 1/2 ligne Walthams. I am very happy that it's in running condition, as I wouldn't want to attempt to restaff it. Unfortunately, mine is "nek'ed", as the case was probably melted some time ago. Because it has a special patent setting mechanism, it will probably remain case-less for the duration of time.

    Jerry, do you have any idea of what percentage of those round 7 1/2 ligne movements had the patent setting mechanism? Mine has what looks like the same setting design as your gold octagonal pendant watch (Dubois?). Cheers.

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    Default Re: Vintage Small Women's Watches (By: MrRoundel)

    RE: "The platinum rectangular watch with diamonds and black onyx"

    That watch is spectacular. I can't believe (at those prices) that there
    are too many of them around. I think I've seen you post a photo of it in the past.
    You have a very nice collection.



    Rob



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