Thread: 23j Ball
03-19-2017, 03:59 PM #1
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Was there ever a 23j walthan Ball produced? Have heard many arguements over this. Please help.
03-19-2017, 09:55 PM #2
Re: 23j Ball
Welcome to the NAWCC American Pocket Watch Message Board!
There was a previous (about 4+ years ago) thread on this subject, but I've been unable to find it. I believe that nobody participating in that thread had actually seen a 23-jewel Waltham-Ball movement.
Basically, Waltham was said to have made some 16-size, 23-jewel Official RR Standard (ORRS) watches for Ball in the serial number range B 060,701 - B 061,000 (page 35 of American Railroad Watches, George E. Townsend, Col. G.E. Townsend, Alma, MI, 1977).
Ed Ueberall and I maintain a data base of surviving railroad watches (and other watches of interest to us). Our data base contains the reported Waltham-Ball ORRS watches, all 16-size, 17-jewel:
A picture of serial number B 060,915's movement was published on page 151 of Complete Price Guide to Watches, No 16, C. Shugart and R. Gilbert, Cooksey Shugart Publications, Cleveland, TN, 1996. The picture probably appears in other editions. It's caption states that it is a 23-jewel movement, but the photo and its reproduction is too poor to actually see the markings or details.
Perhaps your new thread will bring a 23-jewel Waltham-Ball movement to light.Kent
That guy down in Georgia
03-20-2017, 08:48 AM #3
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03-20-2017, 07:20 PM #4
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Re: 23j Ball (By: luvsthetick)
When looking at anomalies in books like the price guide, I have been told that sometimes interesting strange facts are inserted to provide a "plagiarism trap" for those using the source to produce their own list of information. Since the information is not real anyone else who references it must be taking it from the trap source.
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