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    Default Need Help Determining E. Howard Pocket Watch Type

    New to the forum and I must say, it's extremely informative, helpful, and friendly.

    Despite doing hours of research looking at numerous threads and suggested links, I can't nail down exactly what kind of E. Howard pocket watch I have. As I've learned reading many threads here - serial numbers, manufacture dates, and series types can be confusing and difficult to determine. I'm posting a few pictures, so hopefully someone can set me straight

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    Default Re: Need Help Determining E. Howard Pocket Watch Type (By: jtrockboy)

    You have a fairly early E. Howard Watch Co. (Keystone Howard) with 21 jewels and exposed Geneva stop works. These were made around 1908, I think. The exposed Geneva mechanism on the barrel is relatively uncommon. I have a few of these and like them.
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    Default Re: Need Help Determining E. Howard Pocket Watch Type (By: Tom McIntyre)

    Quote Originally Posted by Tom McIntyre View Post
    You have a fairly early E. Howard Watch Co. (Keystone Howard) with 21 jewels and exposed Geneva stop works. These were made around 1908, I think. The exposed Geneva mechanism on the barrel is relatively uncommon. I have a few of these and like them.
    Thanks for the response. For some reason, it looked to me like "17 jewels", so thanks for the clarification. From what I've read, the case is gold filled? Any idea what series it is? Size? And is the serial number "8060423"?

    Thanks again for the assistance.

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    Default Re: Need Help Determining E. Howard Pocket Watch Type (By: jtrockboy)

    My apologies for misreading the jewel mark. It is 17 jewels. This particular model was also made in 19 jewels but I have not seen a 19J with the Geneva stop works. The serial number is 1061550. It is most often 12/14 size with an oversize pillar plate to make it appear especially thin. The case is gold filled.
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    Default Re: Need Help Determining E. Howard Pocket Watch Type (By: jtrockboy)

    I don't believe the 12-size Keystone Howard's (in 17, 19 and 21 jewels) were given a series number. They were just referred to as the "12-size". Here's an ad from the NAWCC Encyclopedia:

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    Default Re: Need Help Determining E. Howard Pocket Watch Type

    The Price Guide (OTOH) describes this one as
    12s series 7.

    The movement serial number is 1061550
    (estimated around 1911, by the same source)
    but the dating of these serial numbers is sketchy.

    Dave, thanks for posting that ad page - lots of
    information there, that I hadn't seen previously.
    Last edited by LloydB; 03-19-2017 at 11:43 AM. Reason: mis-identified the case

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    Series numbers were applied to Howard's 12-size watches, as seen in the 1911 catalog page linked to by Dave. If you look at the catalog numbers of the 12-size, 17-jewels watches on that page you'll see that they are all in the 700's, Howard's way of designating them as Series 7. Refer to the section of the Encyclopedia article entitled "Series Number."
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    Default Re: Need Help Determining E. Howard Pocket Watch Type (By: Kent)

    Lots of great info. Thanks to all. So it looks like:

    12-Size
    17 Jewel
    Series 7
    Fitted in "Jas. Boss" Gold Filled Case
    Open Face Plain or E.T.

    What does "Plain" and "E.T." designate? Any ideas which one my watch is?

    What is the "8060423" number listed on the case? I also noticed part of that number, "60423" is outside the movement. Does it designate something specific?

    Thanks again for the responses. I'm finding all this quite fascinating and interesting.

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    Default Re: Need Help Determining E. Howard Pocket Watch Type (By: jtrockboy)

    Plain means a smooth polished finish to the case. E.T. means engine turned or barleycorn appearance on the surface. Each of the case pieces is marked with some or all of the case serial number to assist in manufacturing.
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    Smile Re: Need Help Determining E. Howard Pocket Watch Type (By: jtrockboy)

    Quote Originally Posted by jtrockboy View Post
    ... What does "Plain" and "E.T." designate? Any ideas which one my watch is? ....
    If, after reading Tom's descriptions, you have trouble understanding which your case is (Plain or E.T.), you'll have to post a picture of the outside of the back for use to be able to identify it for you.
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    Default Re: Need Help Determining E. Howard Pocket Watch Type (By: Kent)

    Quote Originally Posted by Kent View Post
    If, after reading Tom's descriptions, you have trouble understanding which your case is (Plain or E.T.), you'll have to post a picture of the outside of the back for use to be able to identify it for you.
    Here you go:

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    Default Re: Need Help Determining E. Howard Pocket Watch Type (By: jtrockboy)

    Engine turned.

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    Default Re: Need Help Determining E. Howard Pocket Watch Type (By: richiec)

    Quote Originally Posted by richiec View Post
    Engine turned.
    Thank you.

    Quote Originally Posted by LloydB View Post
    The Price Guide (OTOH) describes this one as
    12s series 7.
    Any links to the price guide?

    And one last question to the forum, I'm going to look into getting the watch professionally cleaned and lubricated, and wanted to find out what I should expect as far as a reasonable cost.

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    Default Re: Need Help Determining E. Howard Pocket Watch Type (By: jtrockboy)

    The "Complete Price Guide to Watches" Shugart, Engel and Gilbert

    is printed yearly, and is available in most large booksellers as well
    as many libraries.

    Copies are also offered on that E-auction site.

    It's a good general resource, but not the last word.

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    Smile Re: Need Help Determining E. Howard Pocket Watch Type (By: jtrockboy)

    Quote Originally Posted by jtrockboy View Post
    ... And one last question to the forum, I'm going to look into getting the watch professionally cleaned and lubricated, and wanted to find out what I should expect as far as a reasonable cost.
    It may be helpful for you to read the Encyclopedia article on Watch Service and its related links, especially the one to the message board thread on the subject. The Encyclopedia article on Choosing a Pocket Watch Repair Person may be useful as well.
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