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    Default 992 Model B case?

    So it is common knowledge I think that the Model B was a temporary solution to a shortage of Hamilton's regular cases. What I don't know, because I don't see all the posts on the board, is whether or not The Model B has been definitively identified. If so, and this post is redundant information please ignore.

    Below I've attached several pics, the gist of which is that a 992B which I saw recently is in the serial number range of the five box labels showing a Model B that I've documented, and so I'm wondering if this 992B is cased with what most would agree is a Model B case. The serial number of the caseback is also similar to the labels I've seen, though on those labels the S prefix was on the label but since I haven't seen a label and watch together I can't say for sure it was also on the caseback itself. Judging by the picture I've included I'm guessing it was not.

    Has anyone seen a matching label and cased 992B together that looks like this one? Does anyone think the picture below is not of a Model B?
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    Default Re: 992 Model B case? (By: Tref)

    Tref,
    Thanks for the info on the "B" case and end labels. This case I believe, is the "B" case.

    It is the old Traffic Special Cases they used on the 974 in the late 20's and early 30's. I posted a 974 Traffic Special with factory Box end labels and it is identical to this case. They also are similar to the newer Model !6 cases.


    The "C" case are , I believe, what we call the Model 12 cases. They are exactly like the Newer Model 9 cases, I posted a recent Thread on ,however they are in base Metal,rather than Gold Filled.

    Terry Hall can comment on this because he keeps up with it better Than I do.

    Thanks
    Jim Haney

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    Default Re: 992 Model B case? (By: Jim Haney)

    In agreement on what we "think" the B case is, but a watch, label, and case have not appeared at the same time...

    I'm still 'out there' on the C case.... have a feeling is is GF, and looks like an elgin case... just a gut feeling.. not enough data on the C case 'yet'

    Jim's put up some interesting examples recently that helped define some previously discussed example cases that were previously 'unknown' as a complete 'set'.....

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    Default Re: 992 Model B case?

    One difference between the B and the "16" is the B is marked gold filled, the 16 is marked rolled gold plate. Strange that we haven't seen a complete package of the B yet. I haven't given up though and still check frequently. I'll find one eventually.

    Might this be a C, given that at least some of them were described as having a brushed back?
    From Don Dahlberg, referencing another note by Lowell Halligan:

    "C" - Model - Railroad Special --- Yellow
    (some odd cases for Star Watch Case Co - engd and brush back - about 100


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    Default Re: 992 Model B case? (By: Tref)

    think Jim may have 'nailed' that one recently... Jim?

    not the one I'm thinking of.
    If i get a chance, I'll post a boxless example.

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    Default Re: 992 Model B case?

    Has a box with label example of the "Traffic Special" below been discovered as of now?

    Robert
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    Default Re: 992 Model B case? (By: Robert Sweet)

    Robert,

    Yes, several have been pictured on older threads.

    http://mb.nawcc.org/showthread.php?1...raffic+Special
    Jim Haney

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    Default Re: 992 Model B case?

    edit: edit: The caseback signature (and case), of the newer version of the TS that Jim posted in his other thread does look like a "Model B" case, albeit with an earlier serial number.
    Last edited by Tref; 03-18-2017 at 10:20 AM.

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    Default Re: 992 Model B case? (By: Jim Haney)

    Quote Originally Posted by Jim Haney View Post
    Robert,

    Yes, several have been pictured on older threads.

    http://mb.nawcc.org/showthread.php?1...raffic+Special
    Jim,

    Thank you. The 992B, No. "B" label info that Tref posted with movement serial C43603 and case serial S3,416,227 in only off 571 from your posted box/label Traffic Special case which has a serial of 3,415,656. This difference does not give us absolute certainty that the Traffic Special case was used with the "B", but it is the next best info that we have without observing a boxed "B" with complete watch. Terry has contended all along, and I agree, that the early Traffic Special case was the same as the "B".

    Just like your No. 9 boxed samples, I feel a boxed "B" with a matching serial watch will show up sooner or later.

    Robert

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    Default Re: 992 Model B case?

    One other oddity of this is that the case number shown on each label that I've seen is prefixed with an "S". But the examples I've seen that appear to be B's (without a box of course), do not have an S on the actual caseback sig

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    Default Re: 992 Model B case? (By: Tref)

    Quote Originally Posted by Tref View Post
    One other oddity of this is that the case number shown on each label that I've seen is prefixed with an "S". But the examples I've seen that appear to be B's (without a box of course), do not have an S on the actual caseback sig
    Tref,
    I am sure that Hamilton dropped the "S" on the box labels.
    Jim Haney

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