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    Default Re: New member-new clock (By: MCmalta)

    You can put up a link to a youtube but the site doesn't support
    videos, directly.
    Still pictures are best sent to the site for archiving.
    It sounds like you have an unusual clock.
    We'd love to hear it and see some pictures of the movement.
    I suspect your clock has a 1 second beat pendulum ( 2 seconds
    back and forth ).
    They are just about as easy to set the rate by watching them a few days.
    These are about 20 seconds per day for each turn of the rating nut.
    Tinker Dwight

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    Default Re: New member-new clock (By: Tinker Dwight)

    Hi Tinker, sorry for the late reply but never noticed page two. I will take a clip, upload it to YouTube and post a link.
    I cleaned the face and thought I rubbed all the markings out, but they are still there, I'm guessing that these will be engraved or something and cannot be removed by just polishing. I had a fright for a minute there!
    Thanks again for all your help.

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    Default Re: New member-new clock (By: MCmalta)

    the minute rim and the numbers are engraved/stamped into the surface of the dial,then filled with black wax or laquer and covered with clear laquer,so they withstand Your effords a bit more than if they were just silk-screened but: be carefull,it´s a nice dial and the restauration would be costly.A nice and good quality clock You have,congrats!
    Burkhard
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    Default Re: New member-new clock

    MC, is there a serial number and Muller logo stamped on the back plate of the movement? I have compiled a database for the UMMC serial numbered clocks that confirms the logo on your clock was not used prior to early 1926, which corresponds to a serial number above 185000. All of the clocks with serial numbers at least through 1930-31 have a serial number plus a one or two-digit batch control number set just to the right of the main serial number. Most of the clocks also have a pendulum length stamp to the right and upward from the serial number.

    A photo of the back of the movement would be much appreciated.

    My data show that while Muller did use a number of lion logos, I do not find they were helter-skelter but used in a reasonably orderly fashion. I can provide more info later after we see what's on the back of your movement.

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    Default Re: New member-new clock (By: John Hubby)

    Hi guys, I thank you all for your interest and help.
    I have uploaded a clip on YouTube and I've attached the link;

    https://youtu.be/XDRDksv0n0A

    I tried to look at the inside of the clock but I do not know how to get a good look at the back plate, all it has are two small windows, cut in the wooden case, one on each side. Sorry but I know nothing about grandfather clocks, I always wished to have one, as they affectionate me, had this opportunity to buy one and just bought it!
    Any hints how to get a good view of the back plate?

    Many thanks once again, I really appreciate your help.

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    Default Re: New member-new clock (By: Burkhard Rasch)

    Hi Rasch, the minute rim and numbers are as you said and very tough, I took care not to scratch those. What I was worried about are the UM Muller lion logo on the inside of the face and the made in Germany near the number 6.
    BTW, I like your bike, I'm a biker too.
    Regards.

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    Default Re: New member-new clock (By: MCmalta)

    Quote Originally Posted by MCmalta View Post
    Hi guys, I thank you all for your interest and help.
    I have uploaded a clip on YouTube and I've attached the link;

    https://youtu.be/XDRDksv0n0A

    I tried to look at the inside of the clock but I do not know how to get a good look at the back plate, all it has are two small windows, cut in the wooden case, one on each side. Sorry but I know nothing about grandfather clocks, I always wished to have one, as they affectionate me, had this opportunity to buy one and just bought it!
    Any hints how to get a good view of the back plate?

    Many thanks once again, I really appreciate your help.
    MC, great sounding gong, thanks for the video!! To look at the back plate you will need to remove the movement. Not at all difficult, here's how to do it:

    1) Remove the weights.
    2) Remove the pendulum.
    3) Unscrew the eyescrew at each side of the case that holds the movement support board in place. These are under the wood slides and were readily visible and accessible as seen in your video.
    4) Slide out the movement.

    To reinstall just reverse the procedure. While you have it out you can sit it on a table with something like a towel underneath, take photos of the back, and then return it to the case. The two screws you removed to slide it out will assure everything gets back in the right place.

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    Default Re: New member-new clock (By: John Hubby)

    For the Four O'clock position in your youtube link the clock is working properly. The Westminster Chime you hear is segmented into four parts and as each quarter hour is passed the the duration of the chime increases in length and only plays the COMPLETE Westminster chime at the hour mark followed by the Bim Bam representing the hour. Without hearing it at the quarter hour I can't say conclusively however I suspect your clock is operating exactly as it is designed to do so.


    Very nice clock and welcome aboard.
    Back the Blue!

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    a bit off-topic,but:the bike is not my own,I rent it couple of years ago to try it out. It was a 500cc indian Enfield,kind of fossile,built in recent years with the english technic of the 60ies, I have a more than 30year old Yamaha XS650 for my own use.
    Best regards
    Burkhard
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    The XS is great also, enjoy and take care. Unfortunately, I lost my right arm and nearly my right leg due to a motorbike accident.
    Last edited by John Hubby; 03-20-2017 at 07:42 PM. Reason: Moved Elliott clock to new thread

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    Default Re: New member-new clock (By: hemioutlaw)

    Hi Hemioutlaw, I spoke to the previous owner and he has confirmed that, it has always worked that way, i.e. it chimes every quarter hour and the hours themselves. The weights go down roughly the same length everyday and equal, so it must be right.
    Regards and thanks.

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    Default Re: New member-new clock (By: MCmalta)

    Gorgeous clock and simply beautiful chimes! Wow...

    Laurie

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    Default Re: New member-new clock (By: blindraccoon)

    Hi everyone, great info and helpful tips. You all made my week

    I think, this is a great site.
    MC.

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    Default Re: New member-new clock (By: MCmalta)

    I managed to take the mechanism out and had a look on the back. It seems like there are no serial numbers. My friend told me that it was serviced not long ago but I'm not impressed with the service, it looks scruffy cleaning. Well, I guess as long as it is working right, it's all go.Click image for larger version. 

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    Default Re: New member-new clock (By: MCmalta)

    Cleaning doesn't always include polishing the plates.
    What is more to worry about is the black goo around
    some of the pivots. Those indicate poor cleaning
    or a dirty environment since it was cleaned.
    There are many shops that do what is called dunk'n'swish.
    They do not take the movements apart and they do not
    polish the pivots. Several month of running often look like
    your clocks bushing after such cleaning. They usually
    charge just as much as a shop that does a proper job
    as well.
    Then, one has to ask what was meant by recently?
    Tinker Dwight

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