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  1. #16
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    Default Re: Problems with links to Bulletin Articles (By: Steven Thornberry)

    Quote Originally Posted by Steven Thornberry View Post
    Here is a link to the RAN column of the August 2009 Bulletin should anyone wish to try it out in this thread.
    I was only logged into the MB and I clicked the link above. It asked me to login so I just clicked the login button. I never had to enter a password although my browser may have remembered it from the last visit.. At that point I was able to download the pdf file. I think this is what you described as correct.

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    Default Re: Problems with links to Bulletin Articles (By: Markus Harris)

    Quote Originally Posted by Markus Harris View Post
    If you are logged in to this message board, but haven't yet visited the main site (nawcc.org), you would probably be forced to re-identify when accessing members-only material from the main site. Just sort of "flash your badge" and walk straight through.

    If you log in first at nawcc.org, or if you are logged in here and have re-clicked the log in so nawcc.org recognizes you, you should be fine after that.

    The main thing is: you should no longer run into the glitch where you are logged in, view several members-only items in a row, then are suddenly asked to log in again to view a particular one.

    THAT'S the bug we're fighting.
    I am trying to look up an article.

    This is what the page looks like:






















































    





    NAWCC Bulletin No. 133: April 1968

    Bulletin of the National Association of Watch & Clock Collectors, Inc.
    Table of Contents
    Click on Page Numbers below to access content in PDF format.
    CLOCKS
    227 – “Frederick Heisely Strikes Again, Or, After You, Mr. Heisely!”
    by E. F. La Fond Jr.
    262 – Howard Banjos and Figure-Eights by Gerald Siegel
    WATCHES
    251 – The Remontoire by Leonard Paller (Drawings by Ted Denton)
    272 – “Modern Antique” Watch Keys by E. H. Parkhurst Jr.
    GENERAL
    256 – Seth Thomas, a Yankee Clockmaker, 1785-1859 (Part One) by John R. Sangster
    276 – Delightful Adventures with Clocks by M. Rusk McKinnie
    279 – Horological Tour of Philadelphia (Conclusion) by James W. Gibbs
    283 – Convention Promotion
    287 – A Tour of the Tower Clock of the Metropolitan Life Insurance Company by Irving Cooperman
    298 – How to Make a Sawdust Shaker by J. M. Haviland
    299 – The Answer Box
    307 – Vox Temporis
    312 – “Clock Talk” (The Feminine Point of View) by Elizabeth Andrews Fisher
    314 – New Members
    323 – Library Committee Page
    326 – Chapter Activities
    360 – A Female Beginner’s Thoughts by Mrs. R. E. Hilliger

    Is it agreed that I am appropriately logged in?

    When I clock to open the article, this is what I see:



























    

    Please Log In

    You have selected a resource that is available only to NAWCC Members.
    To view this resource, please use the NAWCC Log In button in the upper right hand corner of this site.

    RM








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    Default Re: Problems with links to Bulletin Articles (By: Markus Harris)

    So Im Loged In
    If I click on the NAWCC logo on the left it gives


    SORRY! If you are the owner of this website, please contact your hosting provider: webmaster@nawcc.org It is possible you have reached this page because:



    • The IP address has changed. The IP address for this domain may have changed recently. Check your DNS settings to verify that the domain is set up correctly. It may take 8-24 hours for DNS changes to propagate. It may be possible to restore access to this site by following these instructions for clearing your dns cache.

    • There has been a server misconfiguration. You must verify that your hosting provider has the correct IP address configured for your Apache settings and DNS records. A restart of Apache may be required for new settings to take affect.

    • The site may have moved to a different server. The URL for this domain may have changed or the hosting provider may have moved the account to a different server.

      I need Help
      Lloyd Watson




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    Default Re: Problems with links to Bulletin Articles

    Mr. Watson,

    It appears there has been some sort of nameserver glitch which has accidentally set your browser to view the main nawcc website at nawcc.org as an "https" prefix site instead of an "http" site.

    The way to fix this is to clear the history of your browser, which will force your browser to reset the nameserver setting for our site. It should then load normally thereafter.


    HOW TO CLEAR YOUR BROWSER HISTORY

    IN FIREFOX


    At the top of your browser, on the toolbar, select the tools menu (button that looks like three horizontal bars). Click it.

    That should open a number of icon buttons. In the middle is a button that looks like a clock and is labeled “History.” Click that.

    Near the top of the drop down menu is a listing for “Clear Recent History.” Click that.

    It will open a box.

    Make sure the following items are checked:
    Browsing and Download History
    Form and Search History
    Cookies
    Cache
    Active Logins

    Then make sure the top option reads “Today.”

    Then click “Clear Now.”

    Close your browser and reopen it.


    That should reset your browser history so the nawcc.org site will load properly.


    If it still doesn’t work, you may have to repeat the process and select “Everything” instead of “Today” to erase the older settings.


    IN CHROME

    Click the button with the 3 horizontal lines/dashes in the upper right hand corner of the Chrome browser.

    Select “History,” then at the top of the drop down menu select “History.” Click it.

    On the left hand side choose “Clear browsing data.”

    Make sure the following items are checked:

    Browsing History
    Download History
    Cookies and other site plugin data
    Cached Images and Files

    Then choose a period to delete, from the drop down menu (either “the past day” or “the past week”)

    Click the “Clear Browsing data” button at the bottom of the popup.

    Close your browser and reopen it.



    IN INTERNET EXPLORER

    In the upper right hand corner of your Internet Explorer browser, select "Tools" from the menu bar. Click it.


    Scroll down the drop down menu to Internet Options. Click that.


    An option box will open with the "General" folder preselected.


    In the lower half of that option box is a section titled "Browsing history."


    There is a button in that section labeled "Delete." Click it.


    Be sure the following items are selected (checked):


    Temporary Internet files and website files
    Cookies and website data
    History


    Once these are selected, click the Delete button at the bottom of the box.


    Close your browser and reopen it.
    Markus Harris
    Communications Director (NAWCC)

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    Default Re: Problems with links to Bulletin Articles

    I believe that Google and other search engines and Chrome security settings will try to force everyone to use https. It would be good if the web sites could respond to either protocol.
    Tom McIntyre Click me.
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    you won't have anything to laugh at when you're old.
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    Default Re: Problems with links to Bulletin Articles (By: Tom McIntyre)

    Quote Originally Posted by Tom McIntyre View Post
    It would be good if the web sites could respond to either protocol.
    We are working on that. There seems to be an error in the current Joomla install that prevents our going to https for the entire site, which we have wanted to do for some time. We are in the process of working with a specialist to diagnose the error and repair it.
    Markus Harris
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  7. #22

    Default Re: Problems with links to Bulletin Articles (By: Markus Harris)

    Quote Originally Posted by Markus Harris View Post
    Mr. Watson,

    It appears there has been some sort of nameserver glitch which has accidentally set your browser to view the main nawcc website at nawcc.org as an "https" prefix site instead of an "http" site.

    The way to fix this is to clear the history of your browser, which will force your browser to reset the nameserver setting for our site. It should then load normally thereafter.


    HOW TO CLEAR YOUR BROWSER HISTORY

    IN FIREFOX


    At the top of your browser, on the toolbar, select the tools menu (button that looks like three horizontal bars). Click it.

    That should open a number of icon buttons. In the middle is a button that looks like a clock and is labeled “History.” Click that.

    Near the top of the drop down menu is a listing for “Clear Recent History.” Click that.

    It will open a box.

    Make sure the following items are checked:
    Browsing and Download History
    Form and Search History
    Cookies
    Cache
    Active Logins

    Then make sure the top option reads “Today.”

    Then click “Clear Now.”

    Close your browser and reopen it.


    That should reset your browser history so the nawcc.org site will load properly.


    If it still doesn’t work, you may have to repeat the process and select “Everything” instead of “Today” to erase the older settings.


    IN CHROME

    Click the button with the 3 horizontal lines/dashes in the upper right hand corner of the Chrome browser.

    Select “History,” then at the top of the drop down menu select “History.” Click it.

    On the left hand side choose “Clear browsing data.”

    Make sure the following items are checked:

    Browsing History
    Download History
    Cookies and other site plugin data
    Cached Images and Files

    Then choose a period to delete, from the drop down menu (either “the past day” or “the past week”)

    Click the “Clear Browsing data” button at the bottom of the popup.

    Close your browser and reopen it.



    IN INTERNET EXPLORER

    In the upper right hand corner of your Internet Explorer browser, select "Tools" from the menu bar. Click it.


    Scroll down the drop down menu to Internet Options. Click that.


    An option box will open with the "General" folder preselected.


    In the lower half of that option box is a section titled "Browsing history."


    There is a button in that section labeled "Delete." Click it.


    Be sure the following items are selected (checked):


    Temporary Internet files and website files
    Cookies and website data
    History


    Once these are selected, click the Delete button at the bottom of the box.


    Close your browser and reopen it.
    This doesn't fix the problem: See my post here: http://mb.nawcc.org/showthread.php?1...90#post1096890

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    Default Re: Problems with links to Bulletin Articles (By: Markus Harris)

    Markus, this is something new that just started yesterday.
    harold bain, Member ch 33
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    let me "tock" to it"

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    Default Re: Problems with links to Bulletin Articles

    I agree with Harold. I cleared today's history in FF this morning after seeing your post - it fixed it. Then I went to work. After I came home, it was broken again. I cleared today's history again, and it's fixed again.
    It might be something to do with the FF52.0 (64-bit) update that was released yesteday. I haven't followed any links to the main web site except the one in the header of the MB, and my bookmark:
    Click image for larger version. 

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    P.S. Now it's broken again, almost immediately after I said it's fixed.
    P.P.S. I fixed it again, logged out, and it was broken again when I logged back in.
    Last edited by Bill Stuntz; 03-08-2017 at 07:27 PM.

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    Default Re: Problems with links to Bulletin Articles

    P.P.P.S. I just posted this in Edge - it's working here, but broken in FF.
    P.P.P.P.S. Now I'm editing in Chrome, and it's working here, too.

    I'm starting to think it's a bug in FF52.0.
    Last edited by Bill Stuntz; 03-08-2017 at 07:44 PM.

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    Default Re: Problems with links to Bulletin Articles (By: Bill Stuntz)

    Quote Originally Posted by Bill Stuntz View Post
    I agree with Harold. I cleared today's history in FF this morning after seeing your post - it fixed it. Then I went to work. After I came home, it was broken again. I cleared today's history again, and it's fixed again.
    It might be something to do with the FF52.0 (64-bit) update that was released yesteday. I haven't followed any links to the main web site except the one in the header of the MB, and my bookmark:

    P.S. Now it's broken again, almost immediately after I said it's fixed.
    P.P.S. I fixed it again, logged out, and it was broken again when I logged back in.
    Windows 8.1 ie11 - I had it fixed and then it went haywire again.

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    My bookmark this morning also led me to the "green weenie" page. I tried deleting complete browsing history and all cookies, but that did no good. On a whim, I googled nawcc, clicked on the result that should have taken me to the home page, and it worked! I replaced my bookmark, clicked on it, and that worked again. I clicked on the NAWCC Log in button, which took me to an "https" page; I filled out the log in credentials, and voila! - the green weenie once again. It's the 8th wonder of the world that our websites spend so much time being unaccessible for one reason or another.

    Update: Just for grins, I opened an empty tab, clicked on the NAWCC bookmark, and it took me to the home page where I was shown as signed in! I mean seriously? Now I have to try all this on my laptop.
    Last edited by Steven Thornberry; 03-09-2017 at 06:23 AM. Reason: update
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    Default Re: Problems with links to Bulletin Articles (By: Steven Thornberry)

    I just attempt to access nawcc.org on my laptop. Everything worked as desired from the get-go. So, unless something was "tweaked" at the HQ end between now and earlier this morning when I tried from the desktop, I don't know what the secret is. Running the same versions of IE 11 on both machines.
    “If one tells the truth, one is sure, sooner or later, to be found out.” - Oscar Wilde

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    Default Re: Problems with links to Bulletin Articles

    Here is the latest info:

    Some server conflict is forcing two potential session cookies to those who follow links to the main website at nawcc.org.

    When you have both a www.nawcc.org session cookie in your cache AND a nawcc.org cookie in your cache, they conflict and you can get knocked into the https loop.

    To temporarily get clear of this, you can do any of the following:

    Go to Google, search for nawcc, and click the most prominent link that appears. That should direct you to straight to "nawcc.org," clearing the loop.

    Or you can just select your browser address bar and manually type nawcc.org. Then hit "enter." That's the easy way to do it fast, without manually clearing your history and cache. It will manually force your browser to go to nawcc.org, clearing the loop.

    But as long as you have both cookies in your cache (one for www. nawcc.org and another for nawcc.org) you will be subject to the https loop when you hit any link that is hard-coded with a "www" in front of the "nawcc.org" in it's address.

    Meanwhile, we have a team addressing the nameserver and http/https conflict. Once that gets straightened out, all should work as before (better, actually... this glitch has popped up repeatedly for the past few years).


    UPDATE:

    I've just manually changed all of the navigational links from this message board to the main site by removing the "www" prefix where it existed in the code.

    Those links-- the nawcc graphic in the top left corner, for instance, and the various buttons etc on here that link back to the main site-- should now be safe to use without diverting you into the https loop.

    UPDATE 2:

    I've also changed the links in the log in/log out script on the main website, so it returns you to "nawcc.org" (and NOT "www.nawcc.org") after the script processes. That should stop people from being caught in the https loop when logging in or logging out.
    Last edited by Markus Harris; 03-09-2017 at 11:03 AM. Reason: More info
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    Default Re: Problems with links to Bulletin Articles (By: Markus Harris)

    Good job Markus. The link on the logo was especially confusing since I did not see any www in front of it when it displayed on hover in the lower left corner of the window (Chrome).
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