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  1. #16

    Default Re: first fusee movement: several questions (By: novicetimekeeper)

    Quote Originally Posted by novicetimekeeper View Post
    That seems likely, could be a London Borough. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_County_Council
    However Kent County Council was also formed in 1889
    Either way the clock could be older

    here are photos... the dial was paper on a steel plate and is out being re-painted. the movement runs great, even though it hasn't been cleaned or set up yet.

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    i collect antique clocks because i get all that extra time...

  2. #17

    Default Re: first fusee movement: several questions (By: bruce linde)

    That looks like it was originally made for LCC, which would be right for the construction style so post 1889
    Nick, lots to learn, late starter.

  3. #18

    Default Re: first fusee movement: several questions (By: novicetimekeeper)

    Quote Originally Posted by novicetimekeeper View Post
    That looks like it was originally made for LCC, which would be right for the construction style so post 1889

    post 1889, but pre-what?

    got any idea of 'between 1889 and _______'?
    i collect antique clocks because i get all that extra time...

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    Default Re: first fusee movement: several questions (By: bruce linde)

    Hi smike,

    A lot of these were made by Thwaites & Reed, who still exist, so they might be able to help you with this, although I don't know how comprehensive their records are.

    Regards,

    Graham

    "Ut tensio, sic vis" - Robert Hooke

  5. #20

    Default Re: first fusee movement: several questions (By: bruce linde)

    Quote Originally Posted by smike View Post
    post 1889, but pre-what?

    got any idea of 'between 1889 and _______'?
    Well LCC was replaced in 1965 but I would have thought with a chain fusee your are no further than the first quarter of the 20th Century. I would have expected T&R to have their own stamp on the movement but they may at least be able to tell you when they stopped making chain fusee dial clocks.

    EDIT :

    Well I'm amazed, now I've done a bit of research. They were still making chain fusee dial clocks virtually right up to the demise of London County Council, certainly in the fifties.

    There is a specialist who will give you an appraisal for a fee, he specialises in railway clocks but he can probably help. He charges £12 for an appraisal, but if you email him he can advise if he can help with your clock.
    Last edited by novicetimekeeper; 05-23-2016 at 10:08 AM.
    Nick, lots to learn, late starter.

  6. #21

    Default Re: first fusee movement: several questions (By: bruce linde)

    Quote Originally Posted by smike View Post
    post 1889, but pre-what?

    got any idea of 'between 1889 and _______'?
    According to Richard Rose's list of Dial Clock movement serial numbers produced by Thwaits; they manufactured serial numbers 15317 through 16734 during the period 1889 through and including year 1910 for a quantity of over 1400 serial numbered movements during that twenty year period.

    On the basis of the subject movement serial number (17207) One might figure it would have been produced ten years after their circa 1910 production figure of (16734) or about 1920 but some consideration to the effects of WWI could have on the production of domestic clocks.
    H.J. (Les) Lesovsky, Alhambra California

  7. #22

    Default Re: first fusee movement: several questions (By: eskmill)

    Quote Originally Posted by eskmill View Post
    According to Richard Rose's list of Dial Clock movement serial numbers produced by Thwaits; they manufactured serial numbers 15317 through 16734 during the period 1889 through and including year 1910 for a quantity of over 1400 serial numbered movements during that twenty year period. On the basis of the subject movement serial number (17207) One might figure it would have been produced ten years after their circa 1910 production figure of (16734) or about 1920 but some consideration to the effects of WWI could have on the production of domestic clocks.

    guys -

    i appreciate the detective work! i reached out to thwaits, and they said they only had records (maybe) for movements that had their name and/or mark on them... but did appreciate my pointing out that the 'email us' link on their website displays properly to the user but is still coded to the default 'your@address.here'... that doesn't really qualify for the webmaster hall of shame, as i've seen it too many times! 8-)

    anyway, i've got hands on the movement, i'm going to regulate it, and i'm going with 'about 100 years old'.

    i will post photos when i get the re-painted dial back.

    thx again,
    smike
    i collect antique clocks because i get all that extra time...

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    Default Re: first fusee movement: several questions (By: eskmill)

    Hi Les,
    ...According to Richard Rose's list of Dial Clock movement serial numbers...
    Did you mean Ron Rose?

    Regards,

    Graham

    "Ut tensio, sic vis" - Robert Hooke

  9. #24

    Default Re: first fusee movement: several questions (By: gmorse)

    Hey Smike - it would be best to upload your photo's to our site. Eventually, the 3rd party site will dump the photo's, and the thread will be unusable to future searchers. Use the white camera icon in the reply window.
    A man with a clock always knows the time. A man with two clocks is never sure.

  10. #25

    Default Re: first fusee movement: several questions (By: gmorse)

    Graham asks, "Did you mean Ron Rose?"
    Yes, my data to guess on the date of Smile's clock, I used Ronald Rose's massive data in his book "English Dial Clocks."
    H.J. (Les) Lesovsky, Alhambra California

  11. #26

    Default Re: first fusee movement: several questions (By: shutterbug)

    Quote Originally Posted by shutterbug View Post
    Hey Smike - it would be best to upload your photo's to our site. Eventually, the 3rd party site will dump the photo's, and the thread will be unusable to future searchers. Use the white camera icon in the reply window.
    huh? I always upload photos... including those. why do you think otherwise?
    smike
    i collect antique clocks because i get all that extra time...

  12. #27

    Default Re: first fusee movement: several questions (By: bruce linde)

    Quote Originally Posted by smike View Post
    huh? I always upload photos... including those. why do you think otherwise?
    smike
    Firstly, the images posted as inserted reside as a part of your post or reply and are not stored on the NAWCC's photo repository site whereas appended images become copyright jointly between you and NAWCC and therefore enjoy copyright protection.

    Secondly, although you own the original images you have inserted into your post or reply, you have little recourse if an image is miss-used or lost without your consent by just about anybody with internet access.

    And, as Shutterbug advises, if your images are stored on your own or a third party's facility and become lost or unaccessable, your image(s) effectively disappear.

    Correct me if I misunderstand the general guidelines and rules concerning photos and images used on this site.
    Last edited by eskmill; 05-23-2016 at 11:40 PM.
    H.J. (Les) Lesovsky, Alhambra California

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    Default Re: first fusee movement: several questions (By: eskmill)

    Quote Originally Posted by eskmill View Post
    Graham asks, "Did you mean Ron Rose?"
    Yes, my data to guess on the date of Smile's clock, I used Ronald Rose's massive data in his book "English Dial Clocks."

    I've got that book by the side of me and didn't realise it had a list of thwaites serial numbers in it! I'm glad the date came out there though rather than later.
    Nick, lots to learn, late starter.

  14. #29

    Default Re: first fusee movement: several questions (By: eskmill)

    ok, now I'm confused... the big banner says 'use the camera icon to upload photos... which is what I'm doing

    pls tell me what other procedure to use... as well as how one tells whether images are appended or uploaded, etc

    as a professional webmaster, I have absolutely no idea of what you're talking about… yet

    please de-confuse me

    thx





    Quote Originally Posted by eskmill View Post
    Firstly, the images posted as inserted reside as a part of your post or reply and are not stored on the NAWCC's photo repository site whereas appended images become copyright jointly between you and NAWCC and therefore enjoy copyright protection.

    Secondly, although you own the original images you have inserted into your post or reply, you have little recourse if an image is miss-used or lost without your consent by just about anybody with internet access.

    And, as Shutterbug advises, if your images are stored on your own or a third party's facility and become lost or unaccessable, your image(s) effectively disappear.

    Correct me if I misunderstand the general guidelines and rules concerning photos and images used on this site.
    i collect antique clocks because i get all that extra time...

  15. #30

    Default Re: first fusee movement: several questions (By: shutterbug)

    Quote Originally Posted by shutterbug View Post
    Hey Smike - it would be best to upload your photo's to our site. Eventually, the 3rd party site will dump the photo's, and the thread will be unusable to future searchers. Use the white camera icon in the reply window.

    i use the white camera option every time.

    so... what specifically makes you say/think i'm NOT uploading the photos to the nawcc site?

    if using the white camera icon doesn't upload them to the nawcc site...

    1. where are they getting uploaded to?

    2. why do the direct urls for the images start with http://mb.nawcc.org/attachment.php?a...______________ ?

    once i've uploaded them, i double-click on each one to select 'large'... which is why they appear full-size in posts... but as someone who builds such websites, i would be shocked to find that this site was somehow uploading images to and then accessing them from a non-nawcc server. it typically doesn't work that way.

    i'm thinking YOU'RE thinking i've got those big images stored elsewhere... is that the case?

    if not, please provide more specific 'what to look for' and 'how best to upload image' instructions... in painfully explicit detail, so i can not muck things up.

    thx,
    smike
    i collect antique clocks because i get all that extra time...

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