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    Default Geo Porth dial and movement - Who made me?

    Dear Forum readers, I have a watch that says "Geo. Porth. Jefferson City. Mo" on the dial and movement. It a size 6 and movement s/n is 6398711. Can anyone say what watch company made this item? I believe it may be a Elgin just because they made so many watches.

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    Default Re: Geo Porth dial and movement - Who made me? (By: TomCarroll)

    How about a sharp close-up of the movement?
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    Default Re: Geo Porth dial and movement - Who made me? (By: TomCarroll)

    Quote Originally Posted by TomCarroll View Post
    Dear Forum readers, I have a watch that says "Geo. Porth. Jefferson City. Mo" on the dial and movement. It a size 6 and movement s/n is 6398711. Can anyone say what watch company made this item? I believe it may be a Elgin just because they made so many watches.

    "Who made me?" you ask. Well, you also could have been made by Waltham. They made a lot of watches, too!

    I looked up your serial number in both the Elgin and the Waltham serial number lists. SURPRISE!!! Your number fit into a run of 6-size hunting-case movements in BOTH lists, a coincidence that complicates coming up with the ID of your maker.

    If you came from Elgin, you would have been in a run numbered 6,397,001 through 6,399,000, which would make you a Grade 118, 6-size, 2nd model, hunting, gilt plates, pendant-set with 11 jewels.

    If you came from Waltham, you would have been in a larger run numbered 6,397,001 through 6,403,000, of Seaside-grade, 6-size, 1890-model, plates not specified (might be gilt OR nickel), pendant-set, with 7 or 11 jewels.

    That's why it will be necessary for Tom to take a photo that shows your movement (don't be embarrassed by that), unless you can take a "selfie" and post it here! As long as the photo is well-lit and fairly sharp, we should be able to give you more specific info on your origins.

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    Default Re: Geo Porth dial and movement - Who made me? (By: Larry Treiman)

    Thanks, Larry! Attached is a clear movement photo. It's all gold colored in there with except for the blue screws.

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    Default Re: Geo Porth dial and movement - Who made me? (By: TomCarroll)

    Tom,
    Looks like it was made by the Elgin National Watch company and is a model 2. Elgin is west of Chicago, about 35 miles.
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    Default Re: Geo Porth dial and movement - Who made me? (By: Brad Maisto)

    That is a Hampden 6S watch.

    Tom

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    Default Re: Geo Porth dial and movement - Who made me? (By: TomCarroll)

    That hairspring stud looks very Elgin to me.

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    Default Re: Geo Porth dial and movement - Who made me? (By: 179)

    Yes, Elgin model 2 grade 118.

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    Smile Re: Geo Porth dial and movement - Who made me? (By: TomCarroll)

    A look at pages 4 and 18 of the 1896 A.C. Becken Jewelers' Wholesale Price List reveal how similar the Elgin and Hampden 6-size movements are. Nevertheless, as pointed out by 179, the hairspring stud is an Elgin characteristic.

    Also, the relative positions of the case and train bridge screws show that it is an Elgin movement.
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    Default Re: Geo Porth dial and movement - Who made me? (By: Kent)

    Thank you for all the attention! I was leaning to Elgin also mostly due to the online Pocket Watch Database had the s/n in the Elgin lists. Thanks for that link for the Jewelers' Wholesale Price List, Kent. I got the watch off of eBay in good condition, but I still put it through the "scrub and lube." It looses about 30 sec per day - regulator exactly in the middle - not bad for 11 jewels.

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    Default Re: Geo Porth dial and movement - Who made me? (By: Tom Huber)

    Note to would-be watch detectives:

    The fact that the serial number is in the 6 millions, for a 6-size to boot, should have immediately ruled out any possibility that it could be a Hampden!


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    Default Re: Geo Porth dial and movement - Who made me? (By: 179)

    Yes Fred, my bad. I missed the stud shape, but I compared it to my Hampden and it looked very much the same. Now I know how close the two are in appearance.

    Tom


    Quote Originally Posted by 179 View Post
    That hairspring stud looks very Elgin to me.

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