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    Default Waltham Mod. 57 Private Labels

    I looked in the old threads and didn't see any Waltham Mod.57 or other models private label threads,so here is one I ran across.

    Serial # 380897 Wm. Edwards, New York.
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    Default Re: Waltham Mod. 57 Private Labels (By: Jim Haney)

    Unfortunately I do not have the movement anymore, but I have a pinned-foot dial marked "L.A. Benton, Cleveland, O". I seem to recall it may have been on a Bartlett.
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    Default Re: Waltham Mod. 57 Private Labels (By: Jerry Treiman)

    My 1857 Private Label, G.W. Hoff, Utica, NY.
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    Default Re: Waltham Mod. 57 Private Labels (By: chief13365)


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    Default Re: Waltham Mod. 57 Private Labels (By: chief13365)

    Great subject and I used to record these when I saw them. Here's some for the list and I'll see if I can find any others also ...

    25,318 - Saml B. Young , Laconia N. H. (on both the dial and mvt. A. T. & Co case)

    388817 - Chas A. Willard, Painesville O. (marked movement, SS Roman "American Watch Co."Ě dial)

    388980 - R.O. Gottfredson, Kenosha Wis. (marked movement only, SS Roman "American Watch Co." dial)

    411799 - Shreve, Crump & Low, Boston Mass (marked movement, SS Roman "American Watch Co." dial)

    411849 - Slayton & Jenks, Meadville PA (marked movement, SSR "American Watch Co." dial)

    416005 - Made for Howard & Co., New York (marked on barrel bridge but movement also with usual Appleton Tracy grade markings, SS Roman "American Watch Co." dial)

    430284 - R.S. Mershon, Zanesville Ohio (marked movement, SS Roman "American Watch Co." dial)

    430576 - A.R. Brattin, Greencastle Ind. (Marked movement, SS Roman "American Watch Co."Ě dial, coin case marked "Brattin")

    450816 - F.H. Bennett, Waltham Mass (marked movement, SS Roman "American Watch Co." dial)

    471269 - Jasper Stone, Charlestown Mass. (marked movement, SS Roman "American Watch Co." dial)

    477915 - American Agriculturist made by the American Watch Co. (marked movement only)

    555397 - Christian King, Conshohocken PA (marked movement, SS Roman "American Watch Co."Ě dial)

    555833 - Schenek & Will, Pittsburgh PA (marked gilt movement, spelling may be incorrect on first name)

    695048 - Howard & Bros., Fredonia N.Y. (marked movement, unsigned Roman dial)

    695061 - Gus E. Smith, Parkersburg W. Va. (marked movement, SS Roman "A.W.Co., Waltham" dial, coin "G.E. Smith" marked case)

    695637 - P.S. Hyde, Piedmont WVa (marked movement, SSR "American Watch Co." dial)

    695736 - James P. Tryner, Bloomington Ill (marked movement)

    771551 - James P. Tryner Bloomington Ill. (marked movement, typical AWCo dial, OF coin case marked D&Co)

    771588 - Howard Bros., Fredonia NY (marked mvt, unsigned flat enamel dial)

    778126 - A. Frankfield & Co., New York (marked gilt SW movement)

    842837 - Excelsior, Made only for Howard & Co., Fifth Avenue New York, at Waltham Mass (marked 57 model nickel KW/SW movement, SS Roman "American Watch Co." dial)

    842873 - Excelsior, Made only for Howard & Co., Fifth Avenue New York, at Waltham Mass (marked 57 model nickel SW movement)

    842909 - George Washington (marked nickel KW movement)

    842918 - George Washington (marked on nickel KW movement, SS Roman "American Watch Co., Waltham" dial)

    877246 - Wm Owen & Co., Cincinnati O. (marked movement, SS Roman "American Watch Co." dial)

    877295 - M.S. Smith & Co., Detroit (marked nickel movement, single line "American Watch Co." dial)

    877300 - Bonanza (marked nickel SW movement)

    877340 - P.S. Hyde, Piedmont, W. Va. (nickel cock)

    877441 - Excelsior, Made only for Howard & Co., Fifth Avenue New York, at Waltham Mass (marked 57 model nickel SW movement)

    877661 - General Lee (marked nickel SW movement, SS Arabic "A.W.Co., Waltham" dial)

    877762 - Joseph Bevan, Williamsport Penna (marked nickel KW movement)

    877991 - Geo. Washington (marked nickel movement)

    933008 - John Rose, Bay City MI (marked movement, SSR "American Watch Co." dial)

    958866 - J. Olsen, Astoria Oregon (marked movement, SS Roman "Columbia River Watch" dial)

    971954 - W.S. Clarke, Chatteris (marked movement missing balance, unsigned dial, English hallmarked silver case)
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    Default Re: Waltham Mod. 57 Private Labels (By: Fred Hansen)

    Two more ...

    380689 - B.T. Tobin, Chicago Ill (marked mvt, SS Roman "American Watch Co." dial)

    426684 - Made for Howard & Co., New York (marked on barrel bridge but movement also with usual Waltham Watch Co. grade marking, SS Roman "American Watch Co." dial)
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    Default Re: Waltham Mod. 57 Private Labels (By: Fred Hansen)

    There are also a number of these listed in Ron Price's work on Waltham '57 model mvts.

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    Default Re: Waltham Mod. 57 Private Labels (By: Fred Hansen)

    Quote Originally Posted by Fred Hansen View Post
    25,318 - Saml B. Young , Laconia N. H. (on both the dial and mvt. A. T. & Co case)
    This begs the question-What is the earliest recorded American P.L.? I've had an 1850's Lange signed for a S.F. jeweler but this Waltham is the oldest all-U.S. P.L. I've heard of. -Cort

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    Default Re: Waltham Mod. 57 Private Labels (By: 4thdimension)

    This begs the question-What is the earliest recorded American P.L.?


    About 12 years ago there was a discussion on this board about a Samuel Curtis grade movement with a private label name, so I believe this would be something 1853-1854ish at the Boston Watch Company.

    I think somewhat wider production of private labels occurred in the 5000's serial range of Appleton Tracy & Co. production.


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    Default Re: Waltham Mod. 57 Private Labels (By: Fred Hansen)

    A few more including a consecutive to 411799 above ...

    6547 - Simmons & Walter, Lockport NY (marked mvt and SS Roman dial)

    6564 - Richd Gove, Laconia NH (marked mvt, SS Roman "Made Expressly for Joseph Fifield, Plymouth NH" dial)

    411798 - Shreve Crump & Low, Boston Mass (marked mvt, SS Roman "American Watch Co." dial)

    555996 - L.S. Howard & Bros., Fredonia NY (marked mvt, SS Roman "American Watch Co." dial)
    Fred Hansen
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    Default Re: Waltham Mod. 57 Private Labels (By: Fred Hansen)

    I wonder if there was a European model for the P.L. marketing scheme or if was an American invention? The Lange I referred to above was ordered by a S.F. jeweler in the mid 1850's. San Francisco wasn't much of a metropolis at that time so it impresses me that someone would order a P.L. from Germany by this young maker (ser. # low 2xxx). Mail transportation was quite different then.
    I have had P.L. '57's before but I never recorded these things. I wish I had and will try to do it more because I do enjoy and employ all the lists folks have been keeping. -Cort

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    Default Re: Waltham Mod. 57 Private Labels (By: 4thdimension)

    771546- Quintard Bros. Poughkeepsie, NY on mov't, AWCo dial(Ellery)

    551018-IF Sargent, Mt Pleasant Iowa on mov't, AWCo dial (WWCo)

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    Default Re: Waltham Mod. 57 Private Labels (By: 4thdimension)

    I saw one of these Samul Young's on ebay just the other day. I thought it looked very odd and passed by it.
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    Default Re: Waltham Mod. 57 Private Labels (By: 4thdimension)

    Quote Originally Posted by 4thdimension View Post
    This begs the question-What is the earliest recorded American P.L.? I've had an 1850's Lange signed for a S.F. jeweler but this Waltham is the oldest all-U.S. P.L. I've heard of. -Cort
    Here all original Appleton Tracey 57 for Clark Brothers, Rutland, VT 11977. Maybe only one for this very small jeweler in a poor rural area. Seller photos aknowledged ok here.

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    471608 - J.F. Sargent, Mt. Pleasant Iowa (marked mvt, SS Roman "American Watch Co." dial)
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