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    Last edited by tarant; 06-22-2013 at 06:33 AM.
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    Default Re: Post Your Gebrder Resch clocks here. (By: tarant)

    I am reluctant to merge these several independent threads. Each post in each thread would appear in chronological order in the combined thread. As a result, specific discussions would be disrupted, which would be confusing. It is better to leave them as links, as you have done.
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    Default Re: Post Your Gebrder Resch clocks here. (By: Steven Thornberry)

    Hello All,
    Great initiative.
    1001 This one (industrial) was already presented, however due to very low serial numbers ( no older in evidence) worth to show again






    38861 dial 13cm, signed only on the dial





    Both above Vienna's movement comparison:


    242675 , big part of the case after reconstruction, pendulum not from the set.

    No movement's picture available now.



    Waiting for other interesting pictures from forum members...
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    Default Re: Post Your Gebrder Resch clocks here. (By: Ulan)

    Oops. I've made repetition (or the repetier even ). There's already one thread , but old and dusty...:
    http://mb.nawcc.org/showthread.php?2...-Remember-here
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    Default Re: Post Your Gebrder Resch clocks here. (By: tarant)

    Thanks VERY much TARANT for starting this RESCH compilation that will benefit many in the future who have questions or interest in RESCH. Currently I do not own a RESCH clock altho MANY have passed over my bench and I do have a very high opinion of their products. Here is my contribution I thought you and others may find interesting. I happened across this VERY complete movement and I recall it was a bargain and even tho I currently have no destination for it, decided this would be a keeper at least for a while. Unusual about it is that ALL it's accessories are nickel plated! Right down to the reg. assy., etc. For those who often ask the question, "how much weight did the mfr. provide?" I can say, "two pounds"Here for your collection a nickel plated RESCH 100000/34952. Enjoy. This is as complete and original as they get.
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    Default Re: Post Your Gebrder Resch clocks here. (By: Scottie-TX)

    I have no inkling of idea why but Pee-Tah shared this with me and I have found it so; Typically Viennas come in two pendulum lengths - 27" and 25". For some reason the majority of RESCH movements we've encountered are of the short variety - 25". As well, this one is 25. Huh?
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    Default Re: Post Your Gebrder Resch clocks here. (By: Scottie-TX)

    Interesting, unless my eyes deceive me the movements Ulan posted support the claim Resch did make movements without the Remember mark. I have an Alt Deutsch walnut case single weight Resch, serial # 45,181 on backplate, mounting bracket and pendulum rod and Remember logo on the movement. No pics handy though.
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    Default Re: Post Your Gebrder Resch clocks here. (By: jmclaugh)

    Let's let Zepernick speak again:

    A six-page article about the myth and the Gebrder Resch in general appeared in the August 2009 NAWCC Bulletin. Entitled "Remember Remember -- The Gebrder Resch Trademark & the Wedding Tale," it traces the myth to Kochmann. The actual registrations of the trademark in the Austrian system are included.

    It is a part of this older thread:

    http://mb.nawcc.org/showthread.php?7...-%29-Regulator

    Yes, we do know, that Resch used the "Remember" logo quite some time before the Junghans takeover.
    The Remember mark was first regitered in 1890 officially, but there is evidence, that it was in use before that year (first reference is from 1885).
    Even earlier, Resch used their regular GR stamp.
    Jurgen "tempus nostrum"

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    Default Re: Post Your Gebrder Resch clocks here. (By: soaringjoy)

    Greetings Piotr and congrats to your input for this new thread. And most likely we will find new insights in clock and history of Gebr. Resch.

    Yes the story of the TM "REmember" as a commemorate of the marriage of a daughter of Junghans is a beautiful story: No more, but no less. Because in an issue of the Austrian-Hungarian watchmaker newspaper I found in 1885 this Resch-ad with the company logo "remember".


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    For unknown sources of this logo should have been for the export of clocks from Gebr Resch in the U.S..

    Please also note the history of Gebr. Resch in the "Lexikon"


    albra

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    Default Re: Post Your Gebrder Resch clocks here. (By: Albra)

    Seeing a fair amount of interest in this thread, I have placed a link to it in the Post [Your Maker's Name] Clocks sticky at the top of the forum.

    Though you might think me rash,
    I named it simply "Resch,"
    For I was in a rush.
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    Default Re: Post Your Gebrder Resch clocks here. (By: soaringjoy)

    Quote Originally Posted by soaringjoy View Post
    Let's let Zepernick speak again:

    A six-page article about the myth and the Gebrder Resch in general appeared in the August 2009 NAWCC Bulletin. Entitled "Remember Remember -- The Gebrder Resch Trademark & the Wedding Tale," it traces the myth to Kochmann. The actual registrations of the trademark in the Austrian system are included.
    Yes, an excellent article complete with Doug's usual wit.

    For those who haven't read the article the reference to the wedding of a Junghans' daughter does not refer to the 'Remember' logo at all. The story is that to mark the wedding, which I understand happened on the same day the Junghans' purchase of Resch was concluded in 1901, movements would henceforth be marked "Remembrance". To date it appears no Resch movement or afaik Junghans' movement has ever turned up bearing the logo "Remembrance".
    Jonathan.

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    Default Re: Post Your Gebrder Resch clocks here. (By: jmclaugh)

    Junghans used no "Rememberance"....
    Most of the clocks produced in Ebensee had signature like this:
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    The anchor get regulated palettes and the pendulum new suspension.
    This clock (not my...) was probably produced about 1905.
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    The clockmaker and wholesaler from Warsaw, Ludwik Maurycy (L.M.) Lilpop died on 15.12.1905. (Anton Augustyn Lilpop, Austrian clockmaker came to Warsaw from Graz in 1774).
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    But, as my colleague Mariusz wrote here:
    http://mb.nawcc.org/showthread.php?1...l=1#post788090
    The first signature used after take over by Junghans could be this:
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    277501 - the highest noted in our database serial number. Were about 36680 clocks produced with this signature between 1901 and 1905 ? That's the question
    Last edited by tarant; 06-24-2013 at 06:05 PM.
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    Default Re: Post Your Gebrder Resch clocks here. (By: tarant)

    Here's a photo of my Resch I mentioned earlier. The photo makes it looks a tad squashed through rotating and doesn't really do it justice. It measures 55" high and 17" wide.
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    Default Re: Post Your Gebrder Resch clocks here. (By: jmclaugh)

    Quote Originally Posted by jmclaugh View Post
    Yes, an excellent article complete with Doug's usual wit.

    For those who haven't read the article the reference to the wedding of a Junghans' daughter does not refer to the 'Remember' logo at all. The story is that to mark the wedding, which I understand happened on the same day the Junghans' purchase of Resch was concluded in 1901, movements would henceforth be marked "Remembrance". To date it appears no Resch movement or afaik Junghans' movement has ever turned up bearing the logo "Remembrance".
    IMO, the way Kochmann saw it, "Remember" and (his) "Remembrance" were the same thing.
    Kochmann, of German (or was it Austrian?) origin, was not fluent in English.
    When thinking in German - and writing in English, a word like "Remembrance" almost instantly shows up in your mind.
    I guess Kochmann just got his words mixed up.

    Doug, a linguist (teaching at a German university) had indeed noticed that, but tried to avoid the point, because it would have
    become very, very exhausting.

    So, we should quickly forget about any "Junghans Remembrance weddings" associated with Resch Remember clock movements.
    What is left are the two unproven theories:

    1)
    "Remember" was added by the Resch sons in memory of Lorenz Resch's death around the late 1870s. The actual first mention is 1885, as shown in the Austrian ad by Albra.

    2)
    "Remember" was added in order to promote Resch exports easier to the UK or U.S.A.

    Research on the Resch company is extremely difficult, even over here in continental Europe, because there is not enough access to information coming out of Austria, the country then being an Imperial Austro-Hungary Monarchy.
    German clock journals such as the Deutsche Uhrmacher Zeitung (DUZ) and Allgemeines Journal der Uhrmacherkunst (AJU)
    on the other hand, have practically no mention of Resch until the Junghans takeover and old Austrian journals are extremely hard to get to. Even in these, Resch informations or ads are very scarce.
    The German and the Austrian clock factories were more or less hostile competitors - not only because of political matters.
    This led to the founding of several German branch factories in Austria (Braunau, Komotau) in order to get footholds in
    Austria and towards eastern Europe.

    The Junghans company itself never was very fond of keeping detailed records about the companies they sacked; we can see what happened after the takeover, but not very well what happened before that date.

    Hopefully, this explains a bit of the dilemna we're in and any additional information is highly welcome.
    Last edited by soaringjoy; 06-25-2013 at 06:31 AM.
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    Default Re: Post Your Gebrder Resch clocks here. (By: soaringjoy)

    The Resch family was noted in Vienna in address and firm lists since the beginning of the XIX th century.
    1803:
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    They were noted as jewelers. Famous for its extra quality medals and orders.

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    When brothers Resch decided to produce clocks ?
    The oldest info I've found is from the year 1864. Jewelers Joseph and Lorenz Resch became...clockmakers.
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    The second address is now Mariahilfer Strasse 61.
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    Add from 1866. Tower clocks in offer !!!

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    The family business was growing. In 1873 Karl, Wilhelm and Gustav (!!! another clock - Gustav ) were not only jewelers and clockmakers but already clock producers (Uhrenfabrikanten) too. They had the new factory in Ebensee.

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