Info For J. Cheetham/"Owen" Grandfather Clock?

[popeye]

My friend bought this grandfather clock. Does anyone know any information about this clock? Can anyone give a range of its value? Looks like needs wood work and dial work. Appreciated, thanks.

[popeye]

My friend bought this grandfather clock. Does anyone know any information about this clock? Can anyone give a range of its value? Looks like needs wood work and dial work. Appreciated, thanks.

[Chris Radano]

Popeye, that dial looks fine. remember, it is 180 years old. A dial repaint will detract the value of a clock like this. My opionion, NICE clock. No specific monetary values discussed on the NAWCC message board R+R (rules + regulations).

[Mike Phelan]

Hi Popeye
I would say about 1790-1820. looking at the dial.
The trunk door is quite wide - characteristic of a Northern English clock, which is supported by the Cheetham name - possible Lancashire or maybe Yorkshire.
HTH

[popeye]

Sorry took so long to post. The name on the plate of the movement has "Owen" with large letters on top of plate. Is this a marraige, original, and does it help identify this clock? Lastly is it rare? Appreciated, thanks.

[Mike Phelan]

Popeye
Can you show us a pic of the "Owen" marking on the movement? Most LC movements have no maker's name anywhere except on the dial - it may be a repairer's mark.

Looking at the case and dial style, and the fact that there are no bodges on the seatboard, it does look original.

[popeye]

I do not have a picture. It defintely isn't a reapirers mark. The letters are lined and are 2 inches or longer wide. It is on the plate that is the farthest back, closet to the face.

[chasbaz]

Hi Popeye,
You mean the falseplate. The dialmakers supplied the falseplate and the dial together and usually stamped their name on the falseplate. This is Owen & Price (1800-02) or Edward Owen (1803-21), of Birmingham. So this will help with dating.

[popeye]

Appreciated. Question though, the dial says Cheetham. Does the movement that says Owen be an original part of this clock? Does anyone know which Owen it would be if it just has bold lined letters(2.5 inches long)? Appreciated, thanks.
For my knowledge sake. Does this clock have chimes or just the bell on top?

[chasbaz]

There are various Cheethams listed for this period. Looks to my tired old eyes as if there is more on the front of the dial than just Cheetham. Can you let us see a closeup of the name please? There is Joseph, Leeds 1794-1826 and then at Rodley 1834-38. There's also a Richard in Leeds in the 1820's. Brian Loomes is a specialist in this area and has written various books such as 'Yorkshire Clockmakers'.

It's not the movement that says 'Owen', just the falseplate, meaning that the dial was made by them. Mr Cheetham might have made the works or bought that in too. Then he would have had a case made and put it all together. He would have ordered a dial from Owen, with his name painted on it. This clock looks all original as far as I can see.

[Mike Phelan]

Originally posted by popeye:
I do not have a picture. It defintely isn't a reapirers mark. The letters are lined and are 2 inches or longer wide. It is on the plate that is the farthest back, closet to the face.

Popeye
Ah - now I see - the backplate, not the back plate! Yes - I agree with all Chasbaz has said on this.

It does not chime - just the usual strike on the hour, like nearly all English LC clocks.

It could easily be a Yorkshire clock - Leeds does look promising, and I, too, would like to see the complete signature on the dial.

As far as I can see, the only thing that might need repainting on the dial is the blackwork - numerals, minute ring and signature. These were often done using shellac and lampblack.
The rest of the painting (done with oils) looks fine.
HTH