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John,
Thanks as always for your informative reply. I took a few more photos outside.
There is a letter R above the P42. The front plates are cut out as you suggested "American style".
I concur about the case.. I am almost sure they took the entire door and "worked around it?
Sorry the movement needs to be cleaned...someone liked oil.:eek:
Here are the photos, and Thanks again for your help.
Jurgen,
Nice clock!
Jay
Mike, I thought this Becker oddity would be welcome here on your thread.( I don't think it is already posted).
Oled posted it on my Swiss thread, and I only today noticed that it was a Becker.
It has a Moscow seller's name on the dial, and also a Russian stamp on the movement, beside the Becker mark. The suspension has been raised to make it fit into a bulls eye wall clock case.
laprade,
I like your clock. Great one.
Jay
Jurgen, nice clock. In principle I agree with the date as earliest, but I think more likely about 1912-13. The reason for this is that around late 1911 they quit stamping "DRP" on the pendulum hanger which coincides with being 13 years after the patent was issued in which that feature first shows up. Also, the case has a strong Arts & Crafts flavor that was in fashion at that time.Quote:
Originally Posted by soaringjoy
Jay, thanks for posting the photos of your movement. On seeing that it has solid steel pinions but does not have the "SILESIA" mark under the GB logo, that sets the year of manufacture to between 1926 and 1932, later than I had mentioned above. This was after Junghans took over GB operations in early 1926.
At that time several GB identifying marks "disappeared", including the SILESIA mark from the American style movements that used solid steel pinions. I am now wondering if the "W" stamped at bottom center may have indicated the movement has solid pinions. I checked my files but could not verify this premise, will need to see more clocks with that letter present.
On serial numbered movements the circular GB anchor logo and Medaille d'Or went away as did seven-digit serial numbers. Basically what happened was that the identical movement designs continued to be produced until the Freiburg factory closed at the end of 1932, but some of the markings changed. On at least four types of those clocks a new serial number series was started with the number "1", but they were applied in parallel for each type and not in series as had been the case before the takeover. As a result there are duplications of serial numbers.
Laprade, thanks for posting. This is an interesting clock, it appears the pendulum hanger was adapted to maintain the 18 cm pendulum length inside the case, otherwise it would have been too long.Quote:
Originally Posted by laprade
I'm curious about two things:
1) The serial number as it appears to be only four digits which is inconsistent with the logo usage. I don't know if it's possible to get a photo of the front of the movement, that would tell if perhaps this number is truncated from what "should" be a seven digit number. I'm familiar with the movement as shown, it was made for "many" years at least from the 1860's out to the 1920's; as I say the serial number doesn't jibe with the rest of the info.
2) Is there a photo of the Russian stamp? It doesn't show up in the photos.
John, As always--Thanks for your information.
regards,
Jay
Greetings, John and Colleagues,
Here's another interesting GB from one of our regional message board members. This is the second time (first one was in John's GB logo table) i saw the lions logo on the movement. S/N is 1359119. Very delicate hands. Enjoy!
Regards,
Oleg
Oleg, thanks very much for posting! This is the earliest use of the GB Double Lion logo yet in the database, made 4th quarter 1898. I don't have any catalog earlier than 1908, so it's not (yet) possible to identify a model number for the clock. Actually GB was making quite a few of these Freischwinger style clocks at this time and continued until just before WWI.Quote:
Originally Posted by Oled
Kochmann attributed this logo to the merger company VFU but that is not possible since it is found on GB clocks made nearly a year before the merger was completed. Aside from that, after the merger GB used the VFU logo in a number of ways including placing them on the gong mounting brackets, e. g. the "VFU Universal Gong".
Oleg, thanks very much for posting! This is the earliest use of the GB Double Lion logo yet in the database, made 4th quarter 1898. I don't have any catalog earlier than 1908, so it's not (yet) possible to identify a model number for the clock. Actually GB was making quite a few of these Freischwinger style clocks at this time and continued until just before WWI.Quote:
Originally Posted by Oled
Kochmann attributed this logo to the merger company VFU but that is not possible since it is found on GB clocks made nearly a year before the merger was completed. Aside from that, after the merger GB used the VFU logo in a number of ways including placing them on the gong mounting brackets, e. g. the "VFU Universal Gong".