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Kent
09-23-2003, 02:30 AM
Hi Chris:

There a few reasons why a watch that runs fine lying on its back will run fast when hanging from a hook. The first is the if the watch is hanging free, otherwise unsupported, some of the energy in the balance wheel will be lost in causing the movement to swing back and forth. Since the rate of oscillation of the balance wheel regulates the timekeeping rate of the watch, allowing the balance wheel to lose energy to start and maintain the watch swinging will change the timekeeping rate of the watch.

To prevent this I've added two support tabs to the watch stand that is used for my watch at night. This is shown in the right-hand side of the picture whose link is below. Notice that there are soft pads (small electrical wire insulation) slipped over the ends of the brass wire tabs, to protect the watch case.

Another reason is that your watch may not be adjusted to minimize the error between different positions. Such watches, built after 1907, are usually marked "Adjusted 5 Positions." Even if your watch was built and adjusted to five positions, there no guarantee that the adjustment hasn't been upset in the intervening 70 or 100 years. In fact, it most likely was upset.

The error caused by difference between the watch lying on its back and being vertical is one of the hardest to eliminate. When vertical, the friction on the balance staff is that of the two staff pivots rotating in their hole jewels. When the watch is lying on its back, the friction on the balance staff is only that of the bottom end of the lower pivot pressing against the lower cap jewel. Depending upon the shape of the pivot end, the friction, and hence the watch's timekeeping rate, can be significantly different. If this is the problem (and there may be others - such as a cracked jewel), the correction is in altering the shape of the pivot end.

Good luck,
Kent

That guy down in Georgia :smile:

Kent
09-23-2003, 05:28 AM
Chris:

Do NOT, repeat NOT, touch the balance wheel screws. The adjustment of these screws require the most careful and skilled workmanship. There may be other reasons for the difference in rate between positions. Wait to see what others might say.

Meanwhile, take a look at What You Need To Know About Watch Repair at:
http://www.midwestcs.com/elgin/help/watch_repair.html
(you should copy this link and paste it in your browser address bar since directly linking to this website from the NAWCC Message Board is not possible)

That guy down in Georgia :smile:

JohnL
09-23-2003, 06:52 AM
Kent

On another note, what make/model watch in your picture is on the top right hand side.
It has a Ferguson dial on it.

Just Curious :smile:

Thanks!

John

Kent
09-23-2003, 07:33 AM
John:

Its a Rockford grade 910. You can see the movement at the link below.

Kent

That guy down in Georgia :smile:

JohnL
09-24-2003, 01:16 AM
Great Movement Kent!

thanks for posting a link to it.

Nice Dial and movement :smile:

John

jim miller
10-04-2003, 01:23 AM
for a good explaination of what is going on about your watch you can find the answer in the chapter "adjusting" in Levin's book Practical Benchwork for Horologists. The old timers called it juggling the heavy points of the ballance or dynamically poinsing the ballance. Good luck Jim Miller.