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i noticed a few more details about this. it is 18s or maybe 16s. the case is very substantial and the watch looks big with the case. the case says dueber coin 661919. the watch comes completely out of the case and the dust cover is attached with a hinge to the movement. the dustcover is not attatched to the case in any way, but the number on the dustcover is also 661919. i noticed another possibly significant detail. the watch is stem wind, lever set, but the movement can also be wound with a key. i wound it with the stem with the dust cover off and noticed a square post turning when i wound it. there is no hole in the dust cover to stick a key through though, so i guess it was intended to be stem wound. it seems to run. probably not accurately. it has a second hand at 6 o'clock and the stem is at 12 o clock.
i noticed a few more details about this. it is 18s or maybe 16s. the case is very substantial and the watch looks big with the case. the case says dueber coin 661919. the watch comes completely out of the case and the dust cover is attached with a hinge to the movement. the dustcover is not attatched to the case in any way, but the number on the dustcover is also 661919. i noticed another possibly significant detail. the watch is stem wind, lever set, but the movement can also be wound with a key. i wound it with the stem with the dust cover off and noticed a square post turning when i wound it. there is no hole in the dust cover to stick a key through though, so i guess it was intended to be stem wound. it seems to run. probably not accurately. it has a second hand at 6 o'clock and the stem is at 12 o clock.
phh,
perhaps the watch was made to go with two different style cases. One thing I ,can, tell you is a Rockford watch in a Dueber case is not uncommon.
randy, yeah, i was thinking the same thing. i thought that detail might help date it. apparently rockford is hard to date from serial numbers. thanks.
Jon Hanson
04-16-2005, 02:24 PM
pair case?
i'm not familiar with the term "pair case". what characteristics would one have?
randy, i have thought about this some more. would the stem winding depend on the case or the movement? seems like it would depend more on the movement than the case. if you put it in a different case it would still be stem wound, wouldn't it? i'm thinking that maybe when stem wind watches became more popular, instead of designing a whole new movement they sort of added a stem wind mechanism to a key wind they were already producing. i hope that makes sense. i'm really new to all of this.
and now i'm thinking some more about it. it's also lever set. did rockford ever make a key wind/lever set watch?
i'm just curious because with the group of watches i have been looking at (which are really the only ones i have ever looked at closely), the ones that are key wound have stems that don't seem to have any mechanical function at all. they are just so a chain can be attatched. is that typical?
Bill B
04-16-2005, 04:40 PM
Yes Rockford made a key wind and stem wind with lever set. These were called transitional movements as they could be wound with key or with stem, they soon discontinued the key wind movements. Transitional's were all for hunter cases I believe.
bill b. thanks. any idea when the transitional movements would have been produced? sounds like it might be a pretty small window which could be helpful for dating. also, what would make a movement "hunting case only"? the case on this one closes over the dial and crystal, but the stem is at 12 o clock.
Bill B
04-16-2005, 05:13 PM
I have had several they were all stem at 3 not at 12 they date from late 1870's to early 1880's as far as I know.
thanks bill. i will have pictures up of all the watches i have been asking about probably early next week. it sounds like you know a lot about that brand and era. i hope you will take a look.
bill, also, any idea what level of quality that movement would have been at the time?
phh,
looking forward to your pictures. The pictures will probably give Bill B more to go on so he can narrow your watch down.
Bill B
04-17-2005, 02:07 AM
If you would give the movement # I will look it up for you. The transitional movements I have seen Range from 11-15 jewels. The paired case, is the movement is in a piece that has a wind stem and dust cover, the other seperate piece is like a clam shell that surounds the first.
Bill B
04-17-2005, 02:31 AM
I just saw the # in title the # makes it a model 1 about 3/4 of the way through run. You can count the jewels the balance has 7 in it,the top plate is easy count the ones that show not including the balance. To count the piller plate jewels you have to remove dial and hands. If you have never removed a dial, get some help from someone who has. If you want to remove dial be very careful, there are 3 screws that hold it in place.
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