23j Veritas WI

[joehomie]

I have a 23j Veritas 16size and would like to know if they were cased at the factory or were they cased at the jewelers.Its in a J Boss that shows a set of marks on the lip of the case that it had a diffence movement in it. What would be the right case for this movement ser 23634972 23j adj. 5 pos gjs gt Veritas 16s WI. Thanks

[joehomie]

I have a 23j Veritas 16size and would like to know if they were cased at the factory or were they cased at the jewelers.Its in a J Boss that shows a set of marks on the lip of the case that it had a diffence movement in it. What would be the right case for this movement ser 23634972 23j adj. 5 pos gjs gt Veritas 16s WI. Thanks

[Kent]

Hi joehomie:

Serial number 23,634,972 was built in about 1920. At that time, watches were generally cased by the jewelers at time of sale, or offered cased by mail order dealers. In 1920, 18-size, Veritas model (not just Veritas grade) movements were offered timed in the (factory) case, but its not clear if 16-size movements were available in factory cases at that point. The 18-size cases were Keystone J. Boss models, clearly marked "Veritas Model E.N.W.Co."

Cases of that era had a medium-to-high stem. The case shown in this 1920 Hamilton Ad (http://nawcc-mb.infopop.cc/eve/ubb.x/,s,2386079361,a,ga,ul,815106192,ic,Y/1920_Apr_940___992_LR.JPG) is typical of the era.

[joehomie]

Thanks Kent,
I hope you had a great hoilday and as always you have completly giving the information I needed. Nice to see that it could of been cased at a jewelers but if I find a case that reads cased and timed by elgin it still could be correct.I take it than this is about the time that they started to use the timed by elgin case that I find on a lot of my BWRs?

[Kent]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">but if I find a case that reads cased and timed by elgin it still could be correct. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>joehomie:

Not quite. In 1920, a 16-size Elgin factory case will most likely be marked "E.N.W.Co." Not even the earliest Elgin railroad factory cases were marked "cased and timed by elgin ..." They were simply marked "Elgin RR" on the pendant, below the crown. See the 1923 ads at:
<span class="ev_code_brown">www.elginwatches.org/scans/elgin_ads/1923/m_index.html</span>

<span class="ev_code_blue">To view, go to the </span><span class="ev_code_brown">Elgin Watch Collectors Site Home Page</span> <span class="ev_code_blue">at</span> <span class="ev_code_brown">elginwatches.com</span>, <span class="ev_code_blue">then copy and paste the address in your browser's address bar and click on </span>'Go'.

The short stem cases shown in those 1923 ads are too modern for your watch. If the case doesn't have at least a medium height pendant (as shown in the ad linked to in my earlier post), its going to be from too late of an era for your watch. Also, I don't recall ever seeing a case of the style shown in that Hamilton ad bearing the "cased and timed by elgin ..." marking.

Good luck,

[mikeh]

joehomie,

The Veritas is a very fine and nice looking movement, so a glassback salesman's case would be a good choice too, especially since the correct case will be pretty 'ordinary'.

[joehomie]

thanks kent, mike

I like that idea of the salemans case , I do spend more time looking in the back that the front. Kent, thanks for the link, You guys are the greatest, happy New year