Re: confession of a clock collector

[Jon Hanson]

Mr Moderator, would it be OK to have such a topic for American watch collectors here?

Would the members care to post their favorite rips?

Then we could have a poll for the best one!

[Bryan Eyring]

Seeing as that it would quickly deteriorate into a discussion of monetary values, I am going to say NO. But apparently such zero-horological-content discussion is permitted in other forums...:mad:

Regards,
Bryan

[Jon Hanson]

As the BIG O (Glen Ordway) says on weei, "YOU'RE MAKING MY POINT!"

[John Cote]

Seeing as that it would quickly deteriorate into a discussion of monetary values, I am going to say NO. But apparently such zero-horological-content discussion is permitted in other forums...:mad:

Bryan,

Happy holidays to you and yours. Thanks for doing a fantastic job as the topic admin.

I will just argue with a little bit of what you say above. While I agree that it would probably be a bad idea to let a discussion of the morals of buying horological items to start here, (It has happened in the past with negative results.) I do not think this topic has " zero-horological-content". How we get our goods is a huge part of the study of horology since it is hard to study without the goods. Stealing from old ladies has been and is a big part of horology....It's just that one person's definition of stealing may not be the same as someone else's.

[Bryan Eyring]

Thank you John for the compliments and Happy Holidays to you and your loved ones as well. You have made some fantastic posts this year and I cannot wait to see what great South Bends and other images will grace our eyes in 09'!

I value your point about collectors being unable to study horology without the goods - it simply cannot be done. Truth be told, the majority of us have likely acquired at least one piece in our collection under circumstances where the seller was incredibly uninformed, but sometimes this is the only way that we can get the item. Otherwise it will likely end up in the hands of another individual who may not see the value in documenting and sharing it with rest of the horological community and end up in a vault (unknown) for another 30 years.

My bone of contention (and many others) is not the actual sale but the manner in which the thread was handled. What started out as a conforming thread quickly decayed into a thread of both monetary and personal values and then dwindled even further into a circus of votes. We have a documented Code of Ethics that we as members and representatives are to support. Whether we decide to do this or not in private is our own prerogative (which we may or may not still be culpable for). BUT, when we are on this message board it is our duty to represent the NAWCC with viewpoints that parallel that of our Code of Ethics. That was not achieved in this thread.

I think we have touched on a lot of the same points in this thread that were touched in the original. We have different viewpoints on what is just and unjust, and our viewpoints are the culmination of many years and different experiences.

The original thread pertaining to this subject has been closed. I am of identical opinion that all relevant points pertaining to this matter have been well encapsulated within the original thread. For that reason this thread shall not duplicate efforts and is now closed too.

Regards,
Bryan