Your newest acquisition. Volume 4

[Richard T.]

Let's try the photos again


Richard T.

This thread has been split into multiple Volumes. For your convenience, the following LINKS have been added to each thread.

http://mb.nawcc.org/showthread.php?t=44290 Your newest aquisition. Volume 1
http://mb.nawcc.org/showthread.php?t=44322 Your newest aquisition. Volume 2
http://mb.nawcc.org/showthread.php?t=44320 Your newest aquisition. Volume 3
http://mb.nawcc.org/showthread.php?t=44299 Your newest aquisition. Volume 4
http://mb.nawcc.org/showthread.php?t=44318 Your newest aquisition. Volume 5
http://mb.nawcc.org/showthread.php?t=44319 Your newest aquisition. Volume 6
http://mb.nawcc.org/showthread.php?t=44292 Your newest aquisition. Volume 7

Sam Kirk

[Sooth]

Thanks for the info Richard. I have found two other similar write-ups. My only real question is "why did the eBay seller mention Henry Williamson, when the name doesn't appear anywhere on the clock, and the information on this maker is incredibly hard to locate. Is this maker/company really well known in the UK?

The only markings on the movement are "Empire" in a rectangular box, and "Made in England" (on the dial rim also).

[Bob W.]

Just got this example and aside from the patina it looks like it came off the assembly line in Thomaston last week.

BOB

[Sooth]

Wow. Gorgeous!

[inbeat]

Great Marcy Bob,
Is the dial paint original as well.....Looks wonderful....

[Nicko]

Then take 600 wet/dry, sand the whole case with WET. Then sand with 1200 (wet) and then 2400 (wet).

Tony,

Maybe you could clear up some terminology here.
600 wet/day I know about.
Does WET mean sand wet, sand with wet & dry, or is WET a product that I am unaware of.
Does sand with 1200 (wet) mean, sand with 1200 wet/dry, or sand with wet/dry using WET.

Sorry to be thick, but being antipodean (where all the clocks are upside down) some of these terms can be confusing.

[jmclaugh]

My only real question is "why did the eBay seller mention Henry Williamson, when the name doesn't appear anywhere on the clock, and the information on this maker is incredibly hard to locate. Is this maker/company really well known in the UK?

The only markings on the movement are "Empire" in a rectangular box, and "Made in England" (on the dial rim also).

Hi Sooth,
The seller obviously did some research as Williamson is not a name that would be widely known in the UK in the way Smiths or Elliott are. Of the clocks that I have seen stamped Empire or Astral none have had Williamson stamped on them. Empire movements do not come up on eBay as frequently as Astral ones, the Empire trademark apears in a few guises that also include a globe with a lion on top with Empire and 30 hour alarm within the glode and a globe with latitude and longtitude lines encircled by a ribbon with EMPIRE written on it.

[Bob W.]

Inbeat: Yes, the Marcy dial is original and not touched up or restored in any way.

BOB

[clocksiam]

Niko , The wet and dry is the type of sand paper you use it can be used with water, dry, or with oil. Hope this helps Tony

[DBPhelps]

Inbeat: Yes, the Marcy dial is original and not touched up or restored in any way.

BOB


Bob, I've seen a few of these Marcys but almost always in Cherry. I would assume yours is Walnut. It is by far the best looking one I've seen and for the dial to be in that condition based on most Seth dials, it just short of amazing.

[Bob W.]

DB, yes it's a walnut case and the dial is amazing. It was a costly piece to acquire and worth it. Thanks for your comment.

BOB

[AllThumbz]

This is a German Westminster Mantle clock I bought in a live auction at EBAY for $115 and waited almost a month for the seller to ship. There are no markings to determine the maker. The only markings are the pendulum length and 157 on the movement. It closely resembles a Kienzle mantle clock I own, but Kienzle is usually marked with the winged clock on the movement.

If anyone has an idea of the manufacturer, I would be appreciative. Also, the lacquer has alligatored (crazed) badly, but underneath it is lovely mahogany stain. What do I use (alcohol?) to removed the crazed finish but NOT the mahogany. Thanks.

L2L

[Veritas]

Hi looking, nice clock, almost looks like Junghans but i am not sure.Too bad your pictures are not right side up, it would help to see better.In the clock repair section under mineral spirits it was mentioned what is good for cleaning wood cases.There is murphy,s soap, denatured alcohol which could soften the shellac and i have used Kotten Klenser which does work well, and hand cleaner without the pumice and no alcohol in it.
I think for the price you did really well.

[Mike306p/Ansoniaman]

Hello. I picked up a 1 weight Lenzkirch Vienna wall regulator:thumb: at the Denver regional on Saturday. I left the Gustav Becker keyhole and a 2/3 size regulator for someone else. :?|Mike

[Scottie-TX]

Congrats! We're VERY anxious for you to share with us your Lenzkirch.
I KNOW it's a nice find.

[AllThumbz]

Hi looking, nice clock, almost looks like Junghans but i am not sure.Too bad your pictures are not right side up, it would help to see better.In the clock repair section under mineral spirits it was mentioned what is good for cleaning wood cases.There is murphy,s soap, denatured alcohol which could soften the shellac and i have used Kotten Klenser which does work well, and hand cleaner without the pumice and no alcohol in it.
I think for the price you did really well.

From my experience, it isnt Junghans. The Junghans Fast-Slow adjustment had markings for +-20 mins. Also the verge and pendulum assembly doesnt look like Junghans. It looks like Kienzle- but no markings. I was hoping someone would have a similar clock and be able to ID it. Maybe Mauthe or HAC? (No markings for either though).

For $115 seemed like a good deal- I simply need to strip off the crazed finish and re-lacquer.

I copied the pics and rotated them to normal to make it easier. Thanks.

L2L

[AllThumbz]

Pics:

[SrWilson]

Ladies and Gentleman..............My latest purchase and 7TH winterhalder & Hoffmier clock a small Mini Bracket clock with westminster chimes on 5 gongs all encased nicely compact and coming in at only 7 INCHES high.

http://wilsonsclockmuseum.net/Miniwh5gong.html

[Steven Thornberry]

ST Crystal Regulator Empire # 13. Not bought at a bargain price, but the guy who sold it always gives me a year's guarantee on all parts, including springs.

[inbeat]

I have had several recent additions although some are still in the garage. I am putting a link to my flickr pictures. Everything before the Seth Umbria and Chelsea Regulator #5 are more recent.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/inbeat/

JJ

[swankyman]

Found this Seth Thomas today, not sure of age but thought you guys should know.
http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-7/1042582/DCP11433.jpg

[Don DeMarcus #0135928]

Mike
Here is one of my new ones.
It is just great.
Ansonia Eturia and Blossom or figure 1184.

Check it out, the hand is broken off will be an easy fix.

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/114/308685756_a4769f9353.jpg

[Mike306p/Ansoniaman]

My new favorite clock is my latest aquisition too. So here goes. It is a 1 weight Lenzkirch dated 1866 or 1867 . Mike

[glr1109]

oooooooH, aaaaaaaH!!! Very handsome!
greg

[Scottie-TX]

Yeah - very nice. I do like those ropy columns a lot. However for proportion, I prefer the serpentine for it's loonger, leeeaner looks. Any story - name - etc. on the serpentine. I know many had no names.

[chimeclockfan]

This is a German Westminster Mantle clock I bought in a live auction at EBAY for $115 and waited almost a month for the seller to ship. There are no markings to determine the maker. The only markings are the pendulum length and 157 on the movement. It closely resembles a Kienzle mantle clock I own, but Kienzle is usually marked with the winged clock on the movement.

If anyone has an idea of the manufacturer, I would be appreciative. Also, the lacquer has alligatored (crazed) badly, but underneath it is lovely mahogany stain. What do I use (alcohol?) to removed the crazed finish but NOT the mahogany. Thanks.

L2L

It's a Kienzle clock. :) I saw one on eBay the other day with an identical mechanism. Different case, same mechanism. ;)

[Mike306p/Ansoniaman]

Nice clocks eveyone. J J , there are a few there that you have added to your site on 8-10-07 that look very NICE to me . Congrats on your new additions. Mike

[AllThumbz]

This is a German Westminster Mantle clock I bought in a live auction at EBAY for $115 and waited almost a month for the seller to ship. There are no markings to determine the maker. The only markings are the pendulum length and 157 on the movement. It closely resembles a Kienzle mantle clock I own, but Kienzle is usually marked with the winged clock on the movement.

If anyone has an idea of the manufacturer, I would be appreciative. Also, the lacquer has alligatored (crazed) badly, but underneath it is lovely mahogany stain. What do I use (alcohol?) to removed the crazed finish but NOT the mahogany. Thanks.

L2L

It's a Kienzle clock. :) I saw one on eBay the other day with an identical mechanism. Different case, same mechanism. ;)

Chime, Thank you so much!! I knew it was not Junghans, and it resembles another Kienzle mantle clock I own but it had NO markings, (wings with clock inside circle), so I wasnt sure.

The round feet need fixing, and the case has alligator finish on mahogany stain that I need to strip and/or sand, but otherwise, it sounds wonderful and keeps good time and I havent even cleaned it yet!

Thumbz

[clocks4u]

I picked this Erastus Hodges wood works clock off a lead I got from Craigslist. It's been a couple months and I just got around to take a picture of it. Except for the hands, the clock is pretty much original. The lower glass is very nice, with little paint loss. It may be the best original glass I've seen in a clock this old.

Chris

[inbeat]

Thanks Mike,
Great clock Chris.

[Sooth]

Wow, Chris! That is a fantastic find.

It has unusual columns (with a turned detail partway down), and it's one of those "East-west" movements that are long and wide (and I believe have no pulleys?).

Can't tell if the finials are original. I am always suspicious of finials, because most of these clocks never had any, HOWEVER, it is a "transitional" style clock...

I'd love to see more shots of it, when you have time.

[clocks4u]

Sooth...A local NAWCC member who collects wooden works looked at the clock. He said he has seen these finials on other Torrignton style clocks. They appear to be original to me. I'll try to take some pictures later this weekend.

Chris

[RobertG]

Here is my newest acquisition. I bought it at the Chapter 75 Mini-Mart last month and just picked it up today.

It isn't a valuable clock, but I think it is cool. The hands are badly rusted, but the movement is in excellent condition.

The dial is all glass and measures 12.25" in diameter. The over-all height of the clock is 18.5" The movement is mounted in a can.

My guess is it is from the 1930s, 40s or 50s, but any help anyone can give in any way as to age, maker, or anything else would be most appreciated.

The engraving on the back plate reads: "Germany Rensie Watch Company Inc."


RobertG
to add more info

[Jeremy Woodoff]

It is a very nice clock. The "Hallmark Accessories" on the dial leads me to think it may be fairly new (within the last 20 years). It could be that the hands are supposed to be rusty, since the designer seems to be trying to make an old-looking clock.

Jeremy

[RobertG]

Jeremy:

You may well be correct about the age. I know it is not an antique, but it is certainly not a cheap repro or facsimile. The case is all brass, no ferrous metal at all and no plating. The only ferrous metal pieces are the can for the movement and the hands. Originally, the brass was highly polished and probably had a protective coating of some kind.

The hands were obviously originally blued. This can be determined from their backs and from the area protected by the mounting nut around the bushing.

The dial is two pieces of heavy glass; the front is clear with the numbers and logos painted on it, and the underside is white glass with a knobbed pattern that gives the dial a very nice look when seen through the dial.

I haven't learned anything about the manufacturer, but it does say it is from Germany.

I didn't pay much for this, and I really like it. I would like to know more about it, though.

RobertG

[swankyman]

Hi Robert, It is a wonderful clock. I don't know what happen to this site over the last year since I join:?| but if you clock not 200 years old or rare and expense you either just get snub or insulted???. Mark

[Scottie-TX]

Third time site choked on my reply and dumped it.
Site's hosed again. Let's try it this way from "edit":
SWANK, I'm sorry you feel that way. That has not been at all my experience. Fact, I brag about how supportive all here are about others' acquisitions.

[Jeremy Woodoff]

Mark,

I don't know if you were referring to my comment, but I certainly wasn't trying to denigrate Robert's clock. I really like it. It not only looks good, but seems to be of very high quality.

Jeremy

[swankyman]

Just got this one Saturday at a old plumbing store auction, Tried to find information on it but nothing out there with Clover Farm on it. We had one here in our small town, nice small grocery store. This one was painted over to cover the name, came right off. Only cost me $5.00 and a new bulb. http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2007-8/1274735/DCP11498.jpg

[RobertG]

Jeremy and Swankyman:

I didn't feel snubbed or insulted in any way. I asked for opinions because that is what I wanted. My first posting just needed a bit more info for people to consider.

I have tried Googling and Goodsearching both Hallmark Accessories Inc. and Henri Lagin, Fils et Cie (which I am told translates roughly as "Henry Lagin, Son and Company"), but learned nothing. I did locate an auction house that described this exact clock, but after scrolling through several hundred listings:bang: (no photos unless you clicked on a link) in their catalog, I couldn't find the correct listing. I don't even know how much they were listing it for.:~(

Any help on the Rensie Watch Company Inc. would be very much appreciated. I tried Googling that, too, and got zip. Maybe someone more expert at websearching will find something.

RobertG

[Scottie-TX]

I grew up in SE Pa - Boyertown, and growing up there (SHADAPP BONGGG!)
SHEESH!
growing up there, recall seeing Clover Farm Products.
Not that it's any help - I only just don't know anything about the producer of them - Clover Farm Prod.
Nice clock.
Does look a liddle "new-ish" tho.
tehee, chuckle, chuckle .

[swankyman]

The clock is made by Telechron, out of the 1940's. The paint is on the reverse side. I have had a few of their clocks they did make a lot of advertising clocks, Dr Pepper, Nu Grape, Pepsi and lot more.

[Scottie-TX]

Interesting! My very first reaction to it was, "Dr. Pepper".
Those shades of orangish red and avocado green are VERY much Pepper logo colors.

[Mr Wind Up]

Hello everyone!! I got this clock from my wife. She bought it online from Russia. I'm a big pocket watch collector so if I am going to have clock, it has to be out of the ordinary. So here it is. It's believed to be out of a Russian submarine. From what I have researched on it, it has been repainted. The ones I have read on were grey in color. This has been re-done so well it's incredible. Every detail has been covered. The paint is flawless, the dial and hands are perfect in a matte finish. She told me that she acquired it for only $43.00us. I have it in my office and it's the first thing clients see when they walk in. They seem to be more interested in the fact that it's wind-up than the idea that it came out of a sub. Crazy huh? It runs great and with great accuracy for about four days and then it winds down. The picture doesn’t do it justice, as it is better looking in person. Enjoy and love the clock section of this board.

http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k267/1865_TickTock/SubClock.jpg

[SrWilson]

I recently bought a small french ODO westminster & Lourdes chime wall clock.

http://wilsonsclockmuseum.net/Frenchodowallclock.html

[chimeclockfan]

Nice wall clock, SrWilson. Interesting case style, though. I see it has "Lourdes" Ave Maria chimes with it, does it always strike the quarter hours with that four note sequence?

[SrWilson]

Nice wall clock, SrWilson. Interesting case style, though. I see it has "Lourdes" Ave Maria chimes with it, does it always strike the quarter hours with that four note sequence?

Yes!

My french 4 way chime clock actually plays the tune on the quarters too but this wall clock like many french lourdes wall clocks does the 3 ( one note is hit twice) note quarter strikes and then the hour it plays the Lourdes tune.

[Don DeMarcus #0135928]

Are there and Junghans swingers out there.

I am looking for parts for the damaged clock.
I have attached a picture of the large damaged clock that is missing parts on the bottom. Those are what I am looking for. I belive it has a larger ball then the common smaller Junghans movement.

If you can help please contact me.

I am going to try and ask Bob Crowder if he can make the dial so only left would be everything missing on the bottom.

[Don DeMarcus #0135928]

Are there and Junghans swingers out there.

I am looking for parts for the damaged clock.
I have attached a picture of the large damaged clock that is missing parts on the bottom. Those are what I am looking for. I belive it has a larger ball then the common smaller Junghans movement.

If you can help please contact me.

I am going to try and ask Bob Crowder if he can make the dial so only left would be everything missing on the bottom.

[clocks4u]

Just picked this one up from a local collection. I already have one in mahogany. This one is cherry. I just love these large damascened bobs....:clap:

[Scottie-TX]

Nice clock. VERY nice, altho I don't have bob envy. It is a GREAT looking bob but I prefer plain, paper thin, large, and highly polished bobs.

[Scottie-TX]

this one I have hung in my office and it's the first thing clients see when they walk in. 'Course I'm an ornithologist so most don't give a hoot.
Some say it looks cheep. I tell 'em I bought it for a song.

[Chris Radano]

Hey, nice French clock. What? Wait a minute. That isn't French. Well I'll be....Schwarzwalduhr mit 8-tage werk. (Another incognito clock)

[Sooth]

Ok, I am not criticizing, when I say this, but MANY clock folk are mis using the term "Damascene" when referring to fancy bobs.

Damascene is actually a type of metal art, where the steel is folded onto iself many times to create different patterns in the steel itself. Anything from woodgrain, to incredibly complicated designs.

The bobs are in fact just engraved, or wheel engraved with a pattern on them.

Here's an example:
http://onemansblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/12/damascus2.jpg

[Scottie-TX]

Eh?
Damascene, Biedermeier, Ormilu, Fluer d lis, adamantine, etc.
All th' same ta me.

[clocks4u]

Many words evolve or have meaning added to them over time. This is one of them. Damascening is any fancy design to metal. My dictionary says "Decorative metal" That fits here nicely.

[AllThumbz]

I took a chance on this clock on a live auction. Wasn't sure of the maker, and the description was "slim antique mantle clock". Looked like a German box wall clock- art deco style- to me ( I own a few of those). So I took a chance, and bid 100 bucks and here is what I got. I gave it to my son and put it in his room. He is 10, hoping to get him interested in clocks.

No markings on the dial. Inside, the movement is marked Gustav Becker "Made in Tscheckoslovakia".

Case has a few dents, decent finish, dial looks good. Runs well, and strikes on four chime rods all at once- pretty loud.

Thumbz

[harold bain]

Thumbz, great clock for $100.00. Hope your 10 year old enjoys it. Are you giving him the key yet so he can test drive it? Or are you going to do the weekly maintenance?

[AllThumbz]

Thumbz, great clock for $100.00. Hope your 10 year old enjoys it. Are you giving him the key yet so he can test drive it? Or are you going to do the weekly maintenance?

I gave him the key and moved the Becker down a little on his wall so he could reach it. I showed him how to wind it slowly. (Right now, I let him wind my Howard Miller grandfather clock with supervision). I feel clocks are a great way to teach a kid responsibility. I told him that it is valuable (it had a price tag attached to it for $445, so he knew that), and that I am trusting him with it.

I didnt know that Becker made clocks in "Tscheckoslovakia" frankly, but since we are of russo/slovak background, he is very happy with it.

I also picked up a couple of nice clocks for myself that I will show pics of when I get them. A non-working Junghans wall clock for $90 (pic shows it as 3 train but it is advertised as time only, so we will see what I get when I get it), and a Junghans non-working Westminster B21 domed mantle clock with bad finish for $138. (I missed out on a working one- it went for $210 on EBay which is kinda rich for me).

ThumbZ

[Chris Radano]

I saw a Gustav Becker on ebay from Lithuania (not too far from Silesia). The seller was in Lithuania. The case was Lithuanian made, probably. This was a few years ago, sorry no pics.

[Don DeMarcus #0135928]

Here is my newest one, Ansonia Diana swinger.

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1026/1407875228_ddfea6217b_o.jpg

[Mike306p/Ansoniaman]

Dandy Don DeMarcus obtained /acquired this new clock named," Diana" by Ansonia. He was having trouble posting it so here goes. I think he has most of the set now. :thumb: Mike

[Scottie-TX]

Hmmmm;
Lemme see if I got this:
So Dandy Don Demarcus Does have a Diana?
. . . . . and Did Dandy Don Derive a Date for his Diana
or was Dandy Don's Diana Done previous to Diana Dating?

[harold bain]

I used to date a Diana. I think she was a 1948 vintage:thumb:

[mlcampbell]

I swear, I just went in the shop to get an OG weight, and came out with this little clock, which was on the "as is" table.

It's a nice little 8 day mantel clock(?), very small and the dial is nicely patterned (pic challenged at the moment)

The movement has stamped in a seated Neptune, holding his trident, on the side of his throne is a clock face (hands @ 130), with the Perivale name written around the stamp and "All British Clock" stamped at the bottom.

It runs badly, until you lift one side of the case up a half inch. I found a pic of a similar movement online w/ instructions on how to bend the crutch, but I'm not getting it...it's an almost solid bar of brass onto which the pendulum hooks.

Similar to this, but it has one hammer and two winding holes, not three.

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Antiques-collectables/Clocks-scientific-instruments/auction-117496632.htm

[Sooth]

No no no, you are trying to bend the wrong piece. The clock should have a tight, but adjustable anchor, which is attached to the piece that slots ONTO the pendulum leader/holder.

If you can reach your hand inside, and hold the top of the anchor still, you should be able to adjust it (to the left or right) pretty easy.

[zepernick]

Hey, nice French clock. What? Wait a minute. That isn't French. Well I'll be....Schwarzwalduhr mit 8-tage werk. (Another incognito clock)

A very nice clock indeed Chris. There was a two part article on these Black Forest Stuckschild clocks in the March 1995 and April 1995 issues of CLOCKS magazine (available from the Library & Research Center, in Columbia).

[mlcampbell]

No no no, you are trying to bend the wrong piece. The clock should have a tight, but adjustable anchor, which is attached to the piece that slots ONTO the pendulum leader/holder.

If you can reach your hand inside, and hold the top of the anchor still, you should be able to adjust it (to the left or right) pretty easy.


I freely admit that I don't quite know where to grasp, and the one diagram I have found doesn't shed much light on it.

Since the clock is running quite nicely, for now, I have it propped up on a stone coaster and it's keeping great time.

I have a tambour clock w/ a similar works on it and even examining that pendulum setup, I can't readily see any place to push on it to move it right or left.

I am not being deliberately obtuse, but to reach into an unfamiliar machine to move a delicate part without knowing what I'm doing violates the First Law of Wingwalking, especially since it is running quite nicely.


Edited to add: Never mind, I figured it out. After some "tempus fugit like hell" moments when the escape wheel ran free, I got it from having to stand on a nearly quarter inch coaster to roughly a matchbook sized piece of cardboard. For now, I'm going to leave well enough alone.

Thanks for the help.

[Mike306p/Ansoniaman]

I heard someone got a new Diana. Where is the photo. Mike :?|

[SrWilson]

I recently got a Westminster Whittington and Fort Augustine chime clock.

I will link to pics soon.

[haneyk]

Here is my latest and greatest, an Oliver Weldon wood works clock dated 1841. When I saw that bird's eye maple, I just had to have it! It is all original and in exceptional condition, and ticking away happily on y shelf right now!

[Sooth]

Beautiful piece! The label in particular, is excellent for its age!

[SrWilson]

Click Here (http://www.wilsonsclockmuseum.net/favchimeclock.html
)

pictures of the whitt/west/Fav triple chime I aqquired.

[chimeclockfan]

I recently got a Westminster Whittington and Fort Augustine chime clock.

I will link to pics soon.

Seems like an interesting clock. how many notes is the Fort Augustine chimes played on????

[SrWilson]

five

its on youtube now.........



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=irZLQgP9Zvg

[chimeclockfan]

Thanks for the link!:D It sounds like a very nice chime. :)

[AllThumbz]

Ok folks, the German lover adds another one...

Junghans B-12 Westminster Mantle Clock, bought at auction $130 due to "bad finish". All that glitters is not gold.

As you can see, the dial has issues, and I am LEAVING IT ALONE. :thumb:

Last picture is as received, the others are after I cleaned and shined the finish with Howards cleaners. The clock ran nicely right out of the box, all I had to do was tune the hammers to my liking. The door catch has issues. If any of you have any tips or if something is missing on the catch, please let me know- Id appreciate it.

Thumbz

[harold bain]

Great job, Thumbz. Looks good to me, dial and all. Can't see your catch problem well enough to suggest anything.

[Veritas]

Thumbz, looks good.I am a Junghans fan.Did you do anything to the case?
Dial does not look bad to me, i doubt most people would even notice it.
Nice clock, enjoy.

[AllThumbz]

Thumbz, looks good.I am a Junghans fan.Did you do anything to the case?
Dial does not look bad to me, i doubt most people would even notice it.
Nice clock, enjoy.

I love these fine German clocks, but most of these Junghans Westminsters cost $300 or more which is out of my league, so I buy the "bad finish" ones and try to clean them up so they look presentable.

For a quick cleanup before putting it out in the house, I used a two step process:

1. Fine steel wool and Antique Refinishers Wood Cleaner made by Reliable Products. It takes a lot of years of filth off the clock and shows the grain. Repeat step 1 with a second application with a rag to remove any liquified muck on the case.

2. Howards Restore-A-Finish Mahogany - an acetone based product (smells pungent!), applied with a second rag all over the case wiping off immediately as applied. It smooths down the finish more and leaves a shine while filling in scratches. I did touch up a bit of missing stain near the front brass knob, and the knob pulled out of the door, so I made a putty of walnut sawdust from my tablesaw bag and titebond, and glued the brass knob back in tight.

I tuned the hammers- I am fussy about the sound- and use a long paid of smooth-jawed flat pliers that I got at Timesavers for this. I find the slotted tools for this do not allow you to fine tune the way I would want to.

I have the clock on top of a bookshelf/library piece where there was a large Kienzle Westminster Humpback clock that my wife said was too big. This Junghans is a lot smaller and doesnt take up the entire top like the other one did.

The next clock I expect, if the seller doesnt rip me off, (always possible on FleaBay), is a non-functional Junghans Westminster I'm going to try to fix. Im interested to see how much her "pro shipper" is going to charge me (I expect an arm and a leg).

Thumbz

[DennyI]

Seth Thomas City Series Lafayette. Must be a less common one based on the price in Tran Du Ly's 2005 ST books.
Bought it at at Council Bluffs, IA auction today.


Lafayette photo (http://www.iowatelecom.net/~onepup/bookcase1.jpg)

Denny

[AllThumbz]

Junghans A-08 Westminster Mantle Clock....

Thumbz

[glr1109]

I LIKE IT!
Greg

[Scottie-TX]

Yeah; Nice.
Has a rather understated, plain elegance I favor.
Very nice.

[clocks4u]

Seth Thomas City Series Lafayette. Must be a less common one based on the price in Tran Du Ly's 2005 ST books.
Bought it at at Council Bluffs, IA auction today.


Lafayette photo (http://www.iowatelecom.net/~onepup/bookcase1.jpg)

Denny

Nice clock....but I'd rather have the book case. Looks big enough for some of my larger clock books.

[Mike306p/Ansoniaman]

My new clock purchase ....:clap: Mike

[Veritas]

Mike and Thumbz. Both very nice clock finds.I like the german clock, plain, but very nice, and a good looking finish on it.

[Sooth]

Aha! I saw that one on eBay recently. Pretty nice clock, except that I suspect both tablets are likely replacements. The minute hand is a replacement as well, but I'm pretty sure the hour hand is correct (hard to tell).

The movement is correct for a Birge & Peck, and it has a nice label. The dial is correct.

Did it come with a bob?

[JB]

Went to an auction today and picked up this clock.
I have to admit I didn't look at it closely, maybe I should of. It was being auctioned off as I walked in. The auctioner said it needed a cleaning so I figured I would bid once and see what would happen. Bidding just started.
I never thought to think that it could be a wag a wall clock when I walked up to take off the hood to take it home.:o

There's an old piece of paper tacked to the door. It reads,
Clock bought by Mr. Eakins father in 1827 or 1828 from a German peddler for $50.00. The case being bought subsequently from another peddler for $25.00. Never out of the family until sold by Mr. Eakins in 1892. Bought back by his son George in 1900.

Anyways, I went to Future Shop and bought a can of compressed gas. Blew off the workings becuase I have no idea how to take it apart to clean it. I was just hoping for the best. The good thing is it's been running now for a couple hours.

Also, if some one could be kind enough to help me out. And I know there will be.
There appears to be a "B49" or a "B" and a backwards "R". Stamped at the front of the base of the movement. Maybe someone could explain what that might be?

[Chris Radano]

JB, I wonder if this is the Eakins referred to:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Eakins

"The Gross Clinic" was recently sold, in controversial fashion. The painting had a generous appreciation in value.

Maybe not, I'm not reading any mention of a son?

[JB]

Hi Chris, thanks for looking that up.
But I think it might be related to Samual Eakins. I found this

http://www.navyandmarine.org/alligator/Eakins.htm#U.S.%20PENSION%20OFFICE

He at one time was a jeweller. Later commanded a submarine. And applied for a disability pension in 1893. A year after the clock was sold in 1892. He also lived close to a case maker George Akens in 1840.

It doesn't really matter. The story can be anything you really want. That's the great thing about these clocks.

[Mike306p/Ansoniaman]

Aha! I saw that one on eBay recently. Pretty nice clock, except that I suspect both tablets are likely replacements. The minute hand is a replacement as well, but I'm pretty sure the hour hand is correct (hard to tell).

The movement is correct for a Birge & Peck, and it has a nice label. The dial is correct.

Did it come with a bob?

Hello Sooth. Yes . It did come with a bob. I have another case also,no movement, no weights, AND yes I am going to make one good clock out of the two. I have an original dial, bob and hands too. I know although it is not pure (ALL ORIGINAL) it will work for me, BUT, OH WELL. I do the best I can with what and where I can come up with whatever I need. I do not see Birge and Peck, Birge and Fuller,nor Birge and Mallory clocks that often for parts. By the way the price on my purchase was GOOD. Thanks for asking . Mike:thumb:

[zepernick]

JB -- Tom Spittler and Doug Stevenson are preparing a volume on these Black Forest movements and dials which were fitted to (North) American-made cases. Could you please get in touch with Stevenson off-list <dstevenson17@cox.net>? Thank you!

[Mike306p/Ansoniaman]

Sooth if you are reading this , the guy sent me what I think is the wrong bob. What do you or anyone else think ? Mike :?|

[Don DeMarcus #0135928]

My new clock purchase ....:clap: Mike




Hey that is a lot of wood, I do need some fire wood.
It is starting to get cold out here and I need some good wood.
Stick with metal it will not rust or be eaten by termites.

Mike I thought you had on already, now you have two, and there is only three known.

good luck with it.
don
spelling

[harold bain]

Don, I thought you guys had lots of kindling out there in California:o Mike, I think that is a Waterbury bob.

[Sooth]

Mike that's DEFINITELY the wrong bob. That one is a 1900's Waterbury mantle clock bob. Probably out of a "Black" style mantle clock.

I haven't had any luck finding out FOR SURE what the right size bob is, for Birge & Fuller, or Birge & Peck clocks, BUT, mine came with the bob wire, and it can only fit up to a 1 3/4" bob. So that's what I ordered. I got a new bob, stripped off the lacquer, softened up the shine with steel wool, added dents, then polished it with Brasso.

Now, about a year later, unless you look at the back of it, it looks like the real deal.

I have seen a few B&F clocks with what look like original bobs, and they are always plain brass, like ogee bobs. They are either 1 3/4 or 2 inches, but no bigger, and no smaller.

[Sooth]

My most recent acquisition is this lovely 1860's (roughly) Ansonia clock. It features ogee moldings (and reverse ogee moldings), gilt columns, and it's all in good original condition.

The dial is near perfect, the hands are original, it has the original brass bob. The tablet is flaking, but is original. Movement looks good. The whole thing will need cleaning, but it needs very minimal work (top front molding is loose, and there's one little veneer flake that I want to glue back down).

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v473/sooth15/AnsoniaColumn01.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v473/sooth15/AnsoniaColumn02.jpg

All for $99.00, plus shipping (and taxes, since it was in Canada).

[Sooth]

As a side note, notice how the rings on the columns are totally off. One has the rings about an inch higher than the other. I kinda like this little quirk though. I only noticed after I took a good look at the clock when I got it.

[DBPhelps]

Sooth, very handsome. I like the lower tablet just as it is.

[Jeremy Woodoff]

Great clock and a great price, Sooth! I think clocks by Ansonia Brass Co. are pretty scarce. It's unusual to find the gilt columns in such good condition.

Jeremy

P.S., Here's my newest-- a Lux moving eye cat clock. I started a thread a few days ago to find out what the tail should be made of (pressed metal). It also needs hands, but everything else is ok.

http://www.nawcc-mb.com/pictures//file-Lux%20cat%20clock.jpg

[Scottie-TX]

Indeed!
Your cat looks well fed too!

[Jeremy Woodoff]

Yes, very satisfied. Probably filled up on some of the Lux bobbing birds.

I looked up the design patent for this clock. There are front and side view drawings and a brief description, all signed "Paul Lux." Can you imagine the fun he had designing these clocks, especially some of the more bizarre ones? Also the folks at United and Mastercrafters must have had great senses of humor.

Jeremy

[Sooth]

DB: The tablet is awesome, but it does look a little bit unstable, and there was some loss in transit. I may try removing it, and doing the pettenkoffer process on it. I don't see the harm in trying it.

I might try just exposing the entire door, rather than removing the glass (and possibly scratching it). I don't think the acetone fumes will damage the wood or shellac.

[Veritas]

Sooth very nice, wish i had seen that one.
Is the dial original?
Nice overall.The pendulum shown here the waterbury, i have the same one on my Forestville clock made in canada.It works but the original one would be nicer.

[Sooth]

Veritas, the dial is indeed 100% original. You can just barely see the typical "raised dial ring" where the dial numerals and chapter ring are painted. This is embossed into the zinc sheet.

The condition of the dial, and columns were the key factors in why I bought it.

I saw a near identical one on eBay a few weeks ago, but it was an 8 day model. I believe the tablet on that one was in poorer shape, though.

[Scottie-TX]

Simple minds - simple pleasures, or so is said.
Never saw one of these. I'm sure you have. Pee-Tah has.
Much as I like these little guys - many as I've had and still have - FIVE!
Thought how KOOL it would be to have a spring driven shelf model.
Unusual about it is the spring arrangement. You see, the spring is wound up seemingly backwards onto the winding arbor and in operation is payed back - returned to the spring arbor. Seems ta me this'd be kinda hard on the spring - no?

[Don DeMarcus #0135928]

Here is a picture of my new project, it is night light clock.
I am getting close to completing finding everything I need.
ENJOY

[Mike306p/Ansoniaman]

That will be nice when finished . Hey what is that boy doing with that screwdriver anyway ? Is that your picture? Mike

[Don DeMarcus #0135928]

That will be nice when finished . Hey what is that boy doing with that screwdriver anyway ? Is that your picture? Mike

I am charging my PACE MAKER.
don

[Sooth]

Nice. You don't see those too often. Looks like you just need a repro shade, and to fix that pointer. I'd be curious to see how it works. Obviously something connects to the top, which rotates slowly.

[Mike306p/Ansoniaman]

Here is a picture of my new project, it is night light clock.
I am getting close to completing finding everything I need.
ENJOY


Sooth these are needed to complete Dons clock . Mike

[Mike306p/Ansoniaman]

Here is a picture of my new project, it is night light clock.
I am getting close to completing finding everything I need.
ENJOY


Sooth these are needed to complete Dons clock . Mike

[Sooth]

It has a chimney? I would have thought only a small candle was used (no chimney needed). Has anyone got a photo of a complete clock?

If it does have a chimney, then it looks more like a banquet lamp with a rotating shade (with numerals).

[Steven Thornberry]

My newest acquisition is this New Haven Winnipec, not one I've run across often, but a must have when I saw it.

[Don DeMarcus #0135928]

Here are some pictures of the parts that I have found so far, they are not here yet but should be this coming week
Martha Smallwood said she should be able to help but the numbers on the shade once I have one that will fit properly.
Enjoy.

[inbeat]

My newest acquisition is this New Haven Winnipec, not one I've run across often, but a must have when I saw it.



Very nice original looking Winnipeg......While they used to show up from time to time, have not seen one recently.

[new2clocks]

Hello all,

My latest acquisition is a circa 1800 double fusee bracket clock by Haley and Milner, London.

Please look at the side picture of the clock. You will see a carved hole with some type of stem / lever almost sticking out of the hole. Does anyone know what that is called and what it is for?

Thanks and regards.

[inbeat]

If you want a wild guess, I would say it is to release a locking mechanism for the bezel. The bezel latch that goes into the clock looks newer and it could have originally gone into the clock front and latched...pushing up the small protrusion that you see might unlatch it....
I absolutely have no idea what I am talking about so take this guess with a grain of salt.

[harold bain]

N2C, how about some pictures of the innards:thumb:
Very nice looking case.

[new2clocks]

Here you go, Harold.

I am not courageous enough to take the movement out of the case, but there is enough space under the movement to show the fusee movements.

Regards.

[Ralph]

Hello all,

My latest acquisition is a circa 1800 double fusee bracket clock by Haley and Milner, London.

Please look at the side picture of the clock. You will see a carved hole with some type of stem / lever almost sticking out of the hole. Does anyone know what that is called and what it is for?

Thanks and regards.

It appears to be a key hole to release the bezel latch.

The clock is unusual in that the bezel is hinged on the left. That is a little unorthodox.

Is the dial painted or enamel?

Ralph

[new2clocks]

Ralph,

The dial is painted. Considering its age, I'd say it was repainted somewhere in its lifetime.

Regards.

[haneyk]

Below are pictures of my two latest, both of which are definite keepers. Thanks to a fellow board member who pointed me in the right direction when I mentioned that I wanted an 8-day wooden works clock! The sweet little Jerome clock I just won on eBay.

Kevin

[clocks4u]

Below are pictures of my two latest, both of which are definite keepers. Thanks to a fellow board member who pointed me in the right direction when I mentioned that I wanted an 8-day wooden works clock! The sweet little Jerome clock I just won on eBay.

Kevin

Kevin...I believe that was me, so you are welcome. Nice clock. Even looks better than the pictures that were on the site. I've had a couple of eight day woodworks in the past, one of them I wish I had back.....:~(

Chris

[inbeat]

Back from a Regional in San Diego where I picked up numerous clocks.
This one is out of my realm and not my cup of tea but it was in very clean/restored condition. J.C. Brown/Forestville 8 Day OG...replaced weights but great refinished case. Dial looks original and not as perfect as the picture shows.....Interesting between the plates alarm......Picture taken is leaning up on a box in the garage.

[Mike306p/Ansoniaman]

JJ Very nice JCBrown/Forrestville clock. Is it like 1840 vintage? Mike

[clocks4u]

Nice OG.....Where's the pictures of all the Seth Thomas clocks?:)

[Sooth]

Wow. Beautiful find!

[harold bain]

Inbeat, the graining on that OG looks terrific:thumb: I never see any but 30 hour OG's around here

[inbeat]

Thanks....
I almost passed it up...bought a whole lot of pieces/parts and cheap clocks from the same guy...got a dial for a Seth regulator..14" for a Seth 68 movement...a top for an Ithaca #8...several mantle clocks and "Stuff"......everything else was as is and this is the only clock that was nice...I am sure the guy did not do it himself but whoever did, did a nice job on the finish....

[inbeat]

JJ Very nice JCBrown/Forrestville clock. Is it like 1840 vintage? Mike

Mike,
Not sure because as I said , out of my normal realm...but my basic understanding is 1850's....could be wrong of course....

[jmclaugh]

Hello all,

My latest acquisition is a circa 1800 double fusee bracket clock by Haley and Milner, London.

Please look at the side picture of the clock. You will see a carved hole with some type of stem / lever almost sticking out of the hole. Does anyone know what that is called and what it is for?

Thanks and regards.

Very nice bracket clock, Haley & Milner are listed as 1799-1815. The movement has quite an unusual shaped back plate and is nicely engraved. As Inbeat says these clcoks often have a catch or lock for the bezel. Does that little protruding button on the side do anything?

[inbeat]

Picked this up over the weekend (with many more)...it is pretty large for a French Slate clock. 17 1/2" tall and 12" wide with a 6" open escapement dial. I am really getting out of my element lately....usually wooden Seth Thomas clocks.

[Veritas]

Inbeat sweet clock.I dont see that many french clocks around here, case looks mint as the rest of the clock is.I really love those open escapements. :thumb::thumb:

[Sooth]

Wow, nice find (again!). The clock must weigh a freakin' TON. Are the red parts a different stone, or it is a painted effect?

[inbeat]

Different....and you are of course correct....it weighs a ton....had to take it and a Seth #2 Reissue from 1970s to get the Chelsea glass that I posted under Interesting Chelsea ......thanks...

[ClockJim]

A new addition to my Seth Thomas City Series collection.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2017/2050233297_229a37d5e6.jpg

Model: SUMMIT

All original except a repainted dial on the original pan. The dial appears whiter than it really is due to camera flash. It is actually a mottled off white older looking finish.
Added Model Name

[inbeat]

Nice one clockjim.....
I have some city series parts but only a clock or two of the series....used to have a bunch but they went away.....thanks for the picture

[Burkhard Rasch]

Hi Scottie!
Verry interesting arangement of mainspring,called "Negator-or
Tensator-Spring".Has the advantage of no friction between the coils
when You wind it,but can be dangerous when not completely unwound!!
The only other clock I know of employing this feature is the "German Time Bomb"-Anniversary clock by Haller.Look for the thread GTB before You take it apart and be carefull!!!!!!!!!!
Burkhard

[new2clocks]

Jonathan,

The button is a screw. There is another screw on the other side of the case.

Regards.

[new2clocks]

Clock Jim, Inbeat and Kevin,

All wonderful acquisitions!:thumb::thumb:

Regards.

[JB]

Hi Folks,
I went for a walk through the local antique stores today. And I ended up running out of one. I'm not exactly sure what I got here. But I'm sure you guys do.
The dealer didn't have a key. And when I asked if there were weights. He said no it was spring driven. I told him I was fairly certain it needed a weight. I thought once he realized it needed a weight he would clue in and realize his price was very reasonable. But instead I think I ran away with this for a song as I was able to get it at even a better price.
The Ryrie Brothers were a prestgious jeweller in Toronto . They merged with Henry Birks in 1917

[inbeat]

Looks untouched. Dial looks original as does the pendulum and beat plate.
You got a Seth Thomas Regulator #2 that should have the "61" (rectangle) movement. These were made up to about 1920, give or take a few year, depending on what reference you are looking at. Later models look the same with different movements and are usually arabic numerals.
Great clock..original weights are available from time to time on ebay and pretty exact repros are available from Timesavers.

[Veritas]

Hi JB, nice looking Seth.I wish i could see something that nice here.Not often a nice clock is seen in the antique,s stores here.Where abouts in Ontaio do you live?
I live in Nepean, which is Ottawa.
Thanks for showing the clock pictures.:thumb:

[JB]

Thanks Veritas, I was excited about this find.
I'm in Hamilton. It was just a matter of being in the right place at the right time and reacting instead of thinking. It had only been in the store a few days.
I'm a Landscape contractor by day, but when the cold weather comes I start looking at clocks.
I was curious about a stamp on the back of the case "B70". Maybe Inbeat would know the answer to that one.
Also there is an old staple at the top of the case, looks to be original. Could this be for the sales tag?

[Scottie-TX]

Site hosed again.
Won't even load a quote.
I'll do it myself!
[quote]Your newest aquisition. (03:50:10 21 Nov 2007)
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Rasch

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Hi Scottie!
Verry interesting arangement of mainspring,called "Negator-or
Tensator-Spring".Has the advantage of no friction between the coils
when You wind it,but can be dangerous when not completely unwound!!
The only other clock I know of employing this feature is the "German Time Bomb"-Anniversary clock by Haller.Look for the thread GTB before You take it apart and be carefull!!!!!!!!!!
Burkhard
Oh GREAT!
rEALLY SCREWED UP TONITE.
Won't lode pixtures either. FINE. I'll do that myself too!
NAWCC Member: No | Location: | Registered: 14:04:34 1 Jun 2007

Thanks RASCh!
Really appreciate your info. Never seed one like this afore. I've heard about the timebombs. Never had one. Already dismantled, cleaned, etc. , it'sa three day runner on that little spring. About two days more'n I care to hear! KLIK KLAK KALIK KALACK . . . . . . . . .. THANX!
http://links.pictures.aol.com/pic/5d20fBWaEz9zmll4e9CC7qmVcEj81vBUwdMnv4xQp5Fd3Ig=_l .jpg

[kirxklox]

Thanks Veritas, I was excited about this find.
I'm in Hamilton. It was just a matter of being in the right place at the right time and reacting instead of thinking. It had only been in the store a few days.
I'm a Landscape contractor by day, but when the cold weather comes I start looking at clocks.
I was curious about a stamp on the back of the case "B70". Maybe Inbeat would know the answer to that one.
Also there is an old staple at the top of the case, looks to be original. Could this be for the sales tag?

Testing

Scotty: Are you sure it is this Mb and not your system?

Even Edit was only about 5-7 seconds.

[kirxklox]

Scottie: These springs are really dangerous if you try to disassemble without letting them completely down.

[Scottie-TX]

Probly is my system SK, but went to "Message Board Problems" with the same requests - quote and upload - no problem there with my system.

[kirxklox]

I was just trying to make sure it is the MB CPU overload. Have you received any messages when this happens?

[Burkhard Rasch]

Hi Scottie!
Anny idea who made it?A logo or signature?It looks like a self-assembly-kit.

Greetings
Burkhard

[chimeclockfan]

A lousy cheap alarm clock from Target. :/


Were these clocks (built ten years a-go) Worth anything?

[Mike306p/Ansoniaman]

1904 Ansonia Indiana .

[Veritas]

Mike nice find.You sure are the Ansonia man, you sure have some nice ones.Is this clock heavy?
:thumb:

[Scottie-TX]

Yeah BURK:
"BUCO" and Made in Switzerland. Yeah; Coulda been a kit . No telling. They came in both versions.

[Don DeMarcus #0135928]

Mike
That is a great looking Ansonia Indiana clock, do you have it yet?

I have one but it only has a single man on one side and a single women on the other side.

Were both made the same time and what do you think was the important occurance to put two different figures on the clock?

Very nice clock.

Here is a picture of one of my side panels.

[ClockJim]

Got this Seth Thomas “Muller” cast iron front at a local auction.

http://lh4.google.com/rvtyme/R0y5UeC2UaI/AAAAAAAABu4/UbqkdTZMDAE/s400/Seth%20Thomas%20-%20Shelf%20-%20Mueller%20Iron%20Case.jpg

Not shown in Trans' Seth Thomas volumes, but is shown in the Ansonia book as "Lion Head" circa 1874.

There is a stamped pinned Seth Thomas movement (Plymouth) and 95% label with Plymouth Hollow. This one has an alarm with the winding arbor upper left of the pendulum glass porthole.

Spelling correction.

[harold bain]

Jim, Nice Muller. Is there a case number anywhere on the case? My info on your case makes it a # 30, 15 inches high. It gives no manufacturer for movement. Is it an 8 day?

[inbeat]

From where it winds, it's gotta be 8 day....
Nice clock....

[ClockJim]

Harold,

I didn't look for a number on the case. Where does your reference to a #30 come from? Do you have a guide to Muller iron cases?

Inbeat,
And yes... it is an eight day, and runs like a top.

This is my second Muller cast iron case clock. To me they seem to be somewhat under valued.

[harold bain]

Jim, my reference is in Bulletin #238, a fine article by Jim Shawn, of Texas. I don't know of any other reference for these. I have 3 Muller's, and always looking for another. Only one of mine is an iron front. One is a bronze statue clock with Ingraham movement, the other a kitchen clock with signed movement and pendulum (did have signed glass design, but broken in shipping).

[ClockJim]

Thanks Harold, I'll check my library of bulletins. Hope I have #238.

[Mike306p/Ansoniaman]

Mike nice find.You sure are the Ansonia man, you sure have some nice ones.Is this clock heavy?
:thumb:

Thanks veritas. No its not heavy. I think 20 to 25 pounds without the statue , another 3 to 5 pounds with the statue. I would say Columbia and Shepherd boy clock is heavy,as well as Virginia. Some of the other metal clocks like Eureka, Pennsylvania ,California and Florida are much larger. I do not have those to answer that quite frankly. Mike

[ClocksCollector]

My latest is a beautiful L. & F. Andrews 4-column shelf clock. Lucius and Franklin Andrews made their clocks in Bristol, Conn. from 1836 until 1843. The 26 " tall case is mahogany with rosewood columns. The dial is wood and both glasses are original. According to notes written on the back of the tablet the clock was worked on in Sept of 1852 and again in May of 1856. The thin wafer weights are cast lead and not the usual iron. The clock was purchased on eBay last month.

[mlcampbell]

Well, certainly nothing earthshattering, but I always check out these little flea markets and I found a little Gilbert, sorta odd-shaped...it looks like a cathedral mated with a tambour. It's 11.25 inches high at the peak, 14.75 inches wide across the front and 4.5 inches deep.

The movement appears to have stainless steel plates. On the side that faces inward, there is a "G" (no diamond around it), under the main shaft, there is the number "18".

On the pendulum side, there is a notation that it was worked on in 1919. At the top right, there is an "8" laid on its side.

Strange little clock, but quite nice. I put the pendulum in it (I got it at a reduced price b/c they couldn't find the bob..(it was wedged behind the works) and it's run ever since.

Pics later. Still no digital camera available.

Oh, and this strange little case has "1033" stamped into the wood underneath. The key is rusted and ornate enough to be original, and the clock has a F/S adjustment under the 12.

[harold bain]

CC, nice clock. I have a couple of somewhat similar 4 posters from New York, one a William S. Johnson, and the other a Sperry and Shaw. My weights are also lead. Also have wooden dials.
Looking in Spittler's and Bailey's American Clockmakers and Watchmakers, I see Franklin C. Andrews operated a New York sales store from 1847-1860. L & F Andrews: Bristol Conn. Ca: 1836-1843. Brothers who leased Sherman Treat's mechanic shop on the Pequabuck river in 1837. Made 30 hour OG and shelf clocks with wood movements.
Wonder if there may be a connection between yours and mine:?|

[Mike306p/Ansoniaman]

mlcampbell, Yes please post a photo when you can. CC it is a very nice clock. I have always liked those too. My newest acquisition to the collection is an Ansonia Juno swinger clock statue era 1901. It is missing the swinger arm/clock movement. Any one have an extra? Mike

[Don DeMarcus #0135928]

mlcampbell, Yes please post a photo when you can. CC it is a very nice clock. I have always liked those too. My newest acquisition to the collection is an Ansonia Juno swinger clock statue era 1901. It is missing the swinger arm/clock movement. Any one have an extra? Mike


Mike this clock can have two different length ball swingers and if you would like a tin can swinger.

Which one do you want?

I have a tree that they grow on very well.

additional information

[southerntime1]

Got this Mautne wall clock for $100 for my dad xmas present

[Mike306p/Ansoniaman]

Southerntime1 Great looking clock and good job on before and after . I am sure he will like it. Don it appears that you have a spare. How do you acquire so many ? Mike

[Jeremy Woodoff]

Don, if you're thinking of thinning out your forest of swingers, I also have a Juno statue needing one.

Jeremy

[Richard T.]

Greetings all,

First, I have never been a fan of porcelain clocks for whatever reason and have never owned one. They are O.K. and a lot of people really like them and some colors more than others.

Secondly, I have never owned a clock by F. Kroeber.

Seems that I have taken care of both of the above at one time. I purchased porcelain clock No. 22, F. Kroeber, Pat. Date: Oct 1894 this afternoon. It is cobalt blue with gold trim with painted iris front and sides.

The case is in excellent condition, no cracks and only one minor ding that was taken care of with some cobalt ink. It had no hands and the ones in the picture are incorrect and only temporary. I need a set of original Kroeber hands. The only other things that I see that need attention are: Incorrect screws holding bezel to case, not more than two bushings, and reattaching the lower ring below the pendulum bob that allows the clock to be moved without removing the pendulum. (The ring is there).

LY's Krober book indicates the movement was made by Seth Thomas and is the No. 89 movement with some slight differences. The plate is stamped F. Kroeber, New York and the patent date. LY shows this clock as C. 1898.

Best of all $150...

Regards,

Richard T.

[Richard T.]

I couldn't add the pictures above because my comments were posted before I quite finished.....

[swankyman]

Nice clock!

[Richard T.]

Thanks.....

[glr1109]

"First, I have never been a fan of porcelain clocks for whatever reason"

I agree with the statement above. However, I do like that one...good choice!:thumb:

greg

[harold bain]

Interesting and unique pendulum attachment. Great buy, Richard:thumb:

[Jeff C]

Nice clock Richard. I wonder the purpose of the bracket the pendulum is in :?|Seems it would enable someone to move the clock without removing the pendulum. Good idea if it is that.

[Richard T.]

Jeff,

That is exactly what it is for. As I said there is a ring that is attached on the bottom of the "bob". ( I have to reattach it). The two rods & two rings stabilize the pendulum. The Kroeber book says "It can be transported and knocked about without injury, remaining in beat and causing no complaints."

Since I have only seen a few Kroeber movements I had not seen this arrangement. It is not on all of their movements, only certain ones made by ST for Kroeber.

Richard T.

[ClockJim]

Good looking clock Richard T

I too am not a great fan of porcelain cases. I do have one, somewhat like yours.

Yours is a good looking cobalt blue porcelain, add in that its made by Kroeber, and I think you’ve got a real winner there.

[Veritas]

Richard, nice clock, my wife likes those too.I dont have any, maybe one day i will get one for her.Your price sounds reasonable too.
Neat looking pendulum arrangement, never seen that before.The colours of your case are so bright too.

[new2clocks]

Very nice, Richard, very nice.

I have two Ansonia porcelain cased clocks and I like the "muffled" sound when striking due, I suppose, to being encased in the porcelain.

Regards

[new2clocks]

Hello all,

My newest acquisition is a Junghans Elephant swinger, circa 1910.

Regards.

[swankyman]

Nice clock new2clocks. I like to see one of those work some day.

[Scottie-TX]

Is that the TRUNCATED version?

[haneyk]

Here's my latest, a spiffy circa 1835 Riley Whiting just delivered from Mass. today. It's my first tall case. It has an original dial and 30-hour wood movement and runs great!

[Jeff C]

Beautiful clock Heneyk :thumb: Thats an unique way those hinges are attached, I like it.

[new2clocks]

Thanks, Swankyman.

One thing I discovered about swingers (even before the latest NAWCC bulletin arrived) is that you must lower the bob to make them run faster and raise the bob to slow them down.

Regards.

[harold bain]

Haneyk, very nice Whiting. Looks to be in excellent shape. Do you have a key for the door? I have a customer with one, who has lost his key. Just interested in what type key it takes

[haneyk]

Harold, the pendulum door doesn't have a lock and key. You just turn the knob and open it. The hood door just has a simple brass catch you lift up.

[harold bain]

Thanks anyway, Haneyk. I guess I will just go over with a large selection of keys and try to find one that fits. This clock is a Twiss Brothers, with a Whiting movement and dial. The case looks similar to yours.

[Mike306p/Ansoniaman]

Thanks anyway, Haneyk. I guess I will just go over with a large selection of keys and try to find one that fits. This clock is a Twiss Brothers, with a Whiting movement and dial. The case looks similar to yours.

Harold. Have you tried old dresser drawer keys? I have lucked out with some of those that unlock cabinet clocks, Grandfather clocks etc. Just a thought. Maybe post a photo of the type of lock you have or of a key that is similar and we all can check our parts drawer boxes for you. Mike

[Mainspring]

here's my latest aquisition.....found it on e-bay and hope its one I can work on.

I am new to working on clocks....always facinated by them but never had the nerve to try to work on them myself. There is a clocksmith that works about an hour away from my home that has been in the business for a long time and I trust him with my clocks, however I would like to learn some of the basics. This will be my first dismantling of a clock movement. I have been reading up on how to replace a mainspring because from the looks of it, that will be the first that that needs to be replaced. I believe this is an Ingraham movement....

Don

[harold bain]

Hi, Don , Welcome to the message board.
You won't know if the spring is broken or not until you pull the movement out. It is just as likely to be a broken click or click spring. Good clock to start with. Careful with the springs:thumb:

[Mike306p/Ansoniaman]

Don, if you're thinking of thinning out your forest of swingers, I also have a Juno statue needing one.

Jeremy

My new acquisition arrived today. :clap: It is minus the swinger arm. Now if Jeremy and I can talk Don out of an arm :?| we will be in business. Mike

[Don DeMarcus #0135928]

Mike you should know all those movements are yours, and they do grow very well in Colorado, in the sun on trees and snow.


Don, if you're thinking of thinning out your forest of swingers, I also have a Juno statue needing one.

Jeremy

My new acquisition arrived today. :clap: It is minus the swinger arm. Now if Jeremy and I can talk Don out of an arm :?| we will be in business. Mike

[SrWilson]

My latest is a french Westminster & Frere jaques chime wall clock pics soon!

[chimeclockfan]

My latest is a french Westminster & Frere jaques chime wall clock pics soon!

Congrats on purchasing it! :D Can't wait for the pictures! :D

[Don DeMarcus #0135928]

I recently purchased this Waterbury Novelity 2 inch dial clock, I do not know what it belonged to only that I liked it.
It almost looks like it belongs to a statue to be used like a drum. If you know what it belongs to please let me know.

[Mike306p/Ansoniaman]

Don nice clock. Could you take the back off so that we may see the movement. Also how long is the chain as that possibly would indicate how far it would have to hang and how tall the statue would have to be. Mike

[Mike306p/Ansoniaman]

Don. This may be what you are looking for dude. :?| Mike

[Don DeMarcus #0135928]

Mike
You really know your stuff, thanks that is it.
You answered this question real fast, I have other question out there still with no answers yet.
I will ask the owner if he has the thermometer for the other end and the statue now that I know what it belongs to.

THANKS FOR THE QUICK RESPONSE AND TROUBLE TO FIND IT.:clap::thumb:
don

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[Mike306p/Ansoniaman]

Mike,"I will ask the owner if he has the thermometer for the other end and the statue now that I know what it belongs to."

I think it will be tough finding that thermometer Don. Good Luck, :o Mike

[Norman Bliss]

My latest clock is this Self-Winding clock, I believe a Model 18A, although the case is a little different than what's shown in Tran Duy Ly's American Clocks book. It's been ticking fine on an antique clock shop's wall for the last few months, but after hanging it on my wall, it won't go more than fifteen or twenty minutes, so after Christmas I gotta take off the dial and check it out. Gotta do that anyway, to see how it's wired.

Merry Christmas

Norman

[swankyman]

Not wood or 100 years old but I love it.
I have been trying to buy this from the Napa store here in town for a year and no go.
My wife got it for me for Christmas this year, she was also trying to buy it. No wounder he didn't sell it to me. I do believe it is from 1962 the year the store open. In very great shape and the back still has its foil label in take.
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[swankyman]

Nice clock Norman!

[Purpledog2]

hello,

I am the old Purpledog. The main reason why I did not post for a long time was because I have forgotten the password for the earlier account. I tried to do a password retrieval and somehow I never received an email for the password. I wanted to contact the administrator, but it requires me to log in first to contact one of them. Anyways, here I am again, as the 'reincarnated' Purpledog.

Straight to the point, I have got a Chinese fusee bracket clock. The movement has a crown wheel escapement. The clock was won on eBay Auction, and it arrived in very good shape. In fact, it was running when I assembled the clock. It was only when I tried adjusting the pendulum length that the clock stopped running after a few minutes.

I have another similar wheel escapement movement (my interest with Chinese clocks is mainly due to my Chinese heritage), and the experience with that movement tells me that this type of movement is very delicate. Any slight shift of the gears/wheels will mis-align the teeth and cause the clock to stop. There is a screw below the escapement wheel for adjusting the wheels to interlock properly with each other: too tight or too loose, the wheels will not move. The hands have a tendency to get in the way of one another.

The last time I tried to run the clock, it stopped after 10 hours or so. I do not know the reason but I speculate it has something to do with the strike trains. When I tried turning the knob (for moving the hands) after the clock stopped, there was resistance. I reversed the turn on the knob a bit, the strike mechanism was activated. After that, I had no problem turning the hands again, and the movement will run again. For how long this time, I don't know, but it is still running. Another speculation is that the stiff wires got in the way of one another when the movement strikes (these stiff wires are linked to the the figures' axes for animation; when the movement strikes, the axes move and 'hit' the bell). I observed that the last time the clock stopped, and re-bend the wires so that they will not get in each other's way when the movement strikes).

The clock is about 18 inches tall (including turntable) and 9 inches wide. The glass is wavy and look original at the front and at the sides (back was a replacement). The wood has pretty mother of pearl on the sides. The clock is probably a repro made in the 1980s, but I am not so sure.

Purpledog

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[SrWilson]

Looks more like 1890s to me ;) nice QTR strike animated clock.

[harold bain]

PD, I repaired a very similar Chinese clock a few years ago, and found that the gearing for the motion works, and for setting the hands was very poorly done, and this could likely be your problem. The one I worked on "looked" very old, but was from the 1970's or so. It was an interesting clock to work on.

[jmclaugh]

Got this one for Christmas, the metal case is signed Eglatine by C Bonnefond and has a rack bell strike movement by L P Japy et Cie.

Unable to find out much at all about Monsieur Bonnefond but I believe it was part of a garniture set as I did find the exact same clock albeit in a silvered metal with two candlesticks each with a maiden bearing two candle holders in the shape of flowers, it sold at auction in New York for $1400. I think the Eglatine refers to the rose briar flower, the one she would have been holding in her hand is missing.

She was very finicky to get in beat and when I removed the movement I found out why, the suspension was not in the right slot so it was way off centre. It is now running fine, strikes the hour on the nose but strikes the half hour two and a half minutes early. Dunno why any thoughts?

[Don DeMarcus #0135928]

Part lost.
I am looking for the clock that the Ansonia Novelity clock of a young man should hold. You can find the statue and clock on page 541 #2261.
I just received the statue and am now looking for the clock. If you have one please let me know.
Thanks for your continued help.

[glr1109]

Jonathan; that's a real beauty! I've seen the dial before somewhere, I remember it because of the Iris.

greg

[Mike306p/Ansoniaman]

Don there are two people I know that have that kind of stuff and you are one of em. I do not think we will ever find one, EVER. I will keep an eye open for one.Mike We will see.

[AllThumbz]

Received this today. This is apparently a HAC miniature wall alarm clock.
It measures only 9" wide by 20" high, and has a bell on top that I am removing the rust from. It has two verges, one for the bell and one for the time. The face, as you can see, has a third alarm hand for setting the alarm, and there is a red/black dot that changes for day and night. It appears to be somewhat unusual, and any information would be appreciated.

Thumbz

[swankyman]

That's a neat clock.

[AllThumbz]

That's a neat clock.

Thanks.....Im trying to find out a little more about it. The movement is a bit different from the usual time and strike.

Thumbz

[SrWilson]

I'll post some pics of my recently aqquired Westminster/Frere Jacques chime wall clock tomorrow and a recording of the chimes.
If in meantime anyone wonders how the frere Jacque tune goes on a chiming clock here is a diagram of it made by yours truly.:thumb:

http://wilsonsclockmuseum.net/myPictures/FrereJacqueclockchimes.jpg

[SrWilson]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vu-eAmgTrxE

vid of the clock chiming up on youtube now!

I'll add pics to my site soon!

[JB]

Very cool SrWilson !:thumb:

[Jeff C]

Beautiful chimes SrWilson.

[Veritas]

I learned the song Frere Jacques, long time ago in grade school.I will have a look at the clock on You tube.Thanks for sharing the video. :thumb::thumb:

[SrWilson]

Glad you people liked it ! Does sound rather impressive :thumb: I will put some pics of it up on my site tomorrow, i'll post a link when done.

[chimeclockfan]

ok. Very Nice clock, SrWilson. :D Sounds great, too. :-3

[SrWilson]

www.wilsonsclockmuseum.net/vedette.html

Pictures of the clock

[Mike Phelan]

No recent acquisitions yet - I still have a bit of a Tuit pile to get through yet (3 to refurb, 1 to make), so I don't need any clocks at the moment.

Totally O/T, but we're about thirty miles from Sheffield (a city renowned for making cutlery and small tools).
Ten hours if you walk, about ten minutes by helicopter.

Do you folks in USA state distances as units of time, or is that just a recent odd English thing?

PS: Steve - your link doesn't work.
Fixed it (http://www.wilsonsclockmuseum.net/index.html) here.

[glr1109]

No recent acquisitions yet - I still have a bit of a Tuit pile to get through yet (3 to refurb, 1 to make), so I don't need any clocks at the moment.

Totally O/T, but we're about thirty miles from Sheffield (a city renowned for making cutlery and small tools).
Ten hours if you walk, about ten minutes by helicopter.

Do you folks in USA state distances as units of time, or is that just a recent odd English thing?

PS: Steve - your link doesn't work.
Fixed it (http://www.wilsonsclockmuseum.net/index.html) here.



I think it depends on where your from. I from the country refer to time it take to arrive on an average day. I also refer to "go north,south, etc. Drives my brother-in-law crazy. He's from "the city" (NYC) and refers to street names and blocks. I don't know street names...I say "go north, 'till ya get ta McDonalds turn right...when you see "Curley's(another restraunt take a left." Most of my directions are via restraunts!:thumb:

greg

[Jeremy Woodoff]

I will give directions in units of walking time or blocks, but then I live in Brooklyn. There are very few places in the U.S. where people walk anymore, except out to the car. New York City is one, as is Boston, Philadelphia, San Francisco, and perhaps a few other cities. Elsewhere, people usually give distances in miles, but sometimes in driving time also.

I understand that people in England walk a lot more, and that there are ancient walking paths that remain legally open to the public through private property.

Jeremy

[Jeremy Woodoff]

Here's my newest, bought New Year's Day: It's an Ansonia "Mercury," missing the urn, part of a drop, and maybe the helmet's wings, and in desperate need of stripping and probably refinishing. $153 including buyer's premium and excluding shipping.

It was sort of a consolation prize. A little earlier in the day was an on-line auction for a Seth Thomas pillar and scroll clock, ca. 1830. It appeared all original including finials. It sold for $550. Of course I don't know what it would have gone for if I had kept bidding, but with a kid in college I couldn't go higher than $500, and even that was making me very nervous. Whoever won it got a deal!

Jeremy

[JB]

Here's a clock I picked up this afternoon. I needed some help carrying this one. It weighs a ton and measures 25 inches wide x 14 inches high X 7 inches deep. It has a nice open escapement and beveled glass door at the back. The movement is marked Japy Freres & Cie G' MED HONNEUR. #778 . However, it needs a bell and pendulum.
I'm not familiar with Japy Freres. Is it possible someone would know what type of pendulum I'm looking for and what length? I've noticed some with a mercury pendulum. Is there a Japy Freres parts supplier by chance:)?

[swankyman]

Nice clock guys. I need to get out more and find some clocks:wink: maybe after a good night sleep first. zzz

[harold bain]

Nice clock, JB. Timesavers has the parts you need (not quite as good as original, but they will work). Part # 19336 is a 2 inch quality bell. Part # 11654 is the bell nut. Part # 10220 is a 1 1/2 inch 3 ounce pendulum. Part # 12260 is the top hook for your pendulum. The pendulum will need fitting for length with a bit of trial and error. I don't know for sure that the bell nut is the correct thread for your bell stand. These are usually a crapshoot to get right.

[JB]

Thanks Harold, much appreciated.
I'll check that out tomorrow. It will be nice to get this going. It started tocking to me when I was looking at it in the store:). I'm sure it will go. It probably could use a cleaning but I'm not sure if I want to tackle that just yet. If it works I'll leave it for now.

Thanks,
Joe

[TEACLOCKS]

Received this today. This is apparently a HAC miniature wall alarm clock.
It measures only 9" wide by 20" high, and has a bell on top that I am removing the rust from. It has two verges, one for the bell and one for the time. The face, as you can see, has a third alarm hand for setting the alarm, and there is a red/black dot that changes for day and night. It appears to be somewhat unusual, and any information would be appreciated.

Thumbz

It looks like the nail you have this clock hanging from is not in the will to well or its comming out.
or its a funny picture.
Nice clock

[Mike Phelan]

I think it depends on where your from. I from the country refer to time it take to arrive on an average day. I also refer to "go north,south, etc. Drives my brother-in-law crazy. He's from "the city" (NYC) and refers to street names and blocks.

OK if each block is the same size, which I assume NYC is, looking at the map.


I don't know street names...I say "go north, 'till ya get ta McDonalds turn right...when you see "Curley's(another restraunt take a left." Most of my directions are via restraunts!:thumb:

greg
When I was working on field service, and I asked directions in an unfamiliar area, I sometimes just gave up! Instead of what I wanted - "turn right, second left, then 100 yds left" I got "Do you know where XXXX is?" "No!"

Not heard of "Curleys" but let's hope the food is better than McDonalds :o ;)



I understand that people in England walk a lot more, and that there are ancient walking paths that remain legally open to the public through private property.

Jeremy

True, Jeremy; however, I was watching a TV programme last night that said that obesity in the UK is increasing towards USA proportions, and the main causes in both places are the amount of junk food we eat and the fact we do not walk enough; here, parents take their kids to school by car maybe only half a mile away as they are too lazy to walk the 10 minutes!

So, we might walk more, but not enough! This is a time-bomb and life expectation is going to be shortened in the future.

You are right about our public rights of way; there have been many battles over the centuries to protect them, like this. (http://www.ramblers.org.uk/footpaths/)
New ones using old abandoned railway lines have been opened as well - there is one near us here (http://www.sustrans.org.uk/default.asp?sID=1098799150781) with some amazing sculptures.

Apologies to mods for going O/T - I promise I will start a new thread next time! :)

[jmclaugh]

Here's a clock I picked up this afternoon. I needed some help carrying this one. It weighs a ton and measures 25 inches wide x 14 inches high X 7 inches deep. It has a nice open escapement and beveled glass door at the back. The movement is marked Japy Freres & Cie G' MED HONNEUR. #778 . However, it needs a bell and pendulum.
I'm not familiar with Japy Freres. Is it possible someone would know what type of pendulum I'm looking for and what length? I've noticed some with a mercury pendulum. Is there a Japy Freres parts supplier by chance:)?


JB,
Nice clock, Japy were the largest and one of the best French makers, AFAIK he won two of these medals from exhibiting in Paris, one in 1855 and ano in 1867.

The most likely pendulum for your clock is the one in the picture attached, it is a called a brocot pendulum, they sometimes along with bells come up on eBay. Many of these movements had the pendulum length marked on the bottom of the backplate in pouches and lignes (French inches and twelves of an inch), alas yours seems not to.

[Veritas]

This is one of my 2 newest clocks.It is a New Haven mission clock, sits about 20 inches tall.Looks good but mine someone used robertson screws to secure the dial on.I will post a actual picture of my clock later.I found this old advertisemant on the internet.

[southerntime1]

New haven og weight clock $75

[southerntime1]

Ansonia royal bonn its the girlfriends clock, got to keep them happy to..

[southerntime1]

forgot the pic

[swankyman]

Wow southerntime1 nice clock, she is a lucky girl to have found you.

[southerntime1]

She is one of a kind

[swankyman]

I like the Ogee clock too. My favorite clocks. Really undervalue if you ask me.

[southerntime1]

swankyman

thanks alot,, what new at your house

[Mike Phelan]

Ansonia royal bonn its the girlfriends clock, got to keep them happy to..

Happy to do what? OK - I know, we daren't ask! ;)
Never seen one of these - nice - it almost has a French look about it. Case looks undamaged as well; presume it is china or similar porcelain?

The other picture with the OG - what is the thing like some sort of panel on the left? ???

[swankyman]

Not much new here. Big auction coming up with a lot of nice clocks. Maybe I'll get lucky at it.

[glr1109]

Veritas: This is one of my 2 newest clocks.It is a New Haven mission clock, sits about 20 inches tall.Looks good but mine someone used robertson screws to secure the dial on.I will post a actual picture of my clock later.I found this old advertisemant on the internet.

What are "Robertson screws"?

How about a photo of your new clock...looks nice in the ad.

greg

[Veritas]

Hi Greg, this clock and the other one is on the lay away plan, so i dont have them at my home yet.Robertson screws have a square head.I guess they are not common in the u.s. :cool:

[harold bain]

Veritas, they were invented in Canada! A big improvement over those useless Phillips head screws:thumb:

[Grant Perry]

Much less prone to slipping and stripping for sure!