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NJ521T
04-13-2008, 06:33 PM
The 2007 Complete Price Guide to Watches lists the Fayette Stratton model with 11J, 15J, or 17J. Mine is KW and gilded, and could be either 15 or 17J. How can one determine how many jewels this watch has? Must the movement be disassembled and the jewels counted?

Thanks in advance, Neil
Jon Hanson
04-13-2008, 06:37 PM
The 2007 Complete Price Guide to Watches lists the Fayette Stratton model with 11J, 15J, or 17J. Mine is KW and gilded, and could be either 15 or 17J. How can one determine how many jewels this watch has? Must the movement be disassembled and the jewels counted?

Thanks in advance, Neil

Does it have cap jewels?

What is the serial number? Have you checked in in my Marion book?

Jon
NJ521T
04-13-2008, 07:02 PM
Hello Jon,

I'll answer your questions in reverse order.

I am not familiar with your book; just a real newbie about pocket watches.

The SN is 2266.

I don't know if the jewels I see are cap jewels.

Thanks for your quick respons. Hope the little info I have helps.

Regards, Neil
Jon Hanson
04-13-2008, 07:16 PM
Touch the jewel or use a 10x glass and see if it has a hole in it.

I will look up to see if I have yours recorded.

Thank you for the serial number.

Jon
Jon Hanson
04-13-2008, 07:34 PM
Neil,

I have 2265 and 2268 in my collection and both are 17J.

HOWEVER, mine are stem wind--LOOK between the plates and check to see if your watch has a stem wind mechanism (or if there is evidence of removal). These were SW and button set although they still had the KW arbor which you could use.

Many folks mis label their Marion watches because the SW models will generally fit easily into any standard 18s KW case.

Jon
terry hall
04-13-2008, 08:44 PM
Consecs.... after how many years? :clap:
NJ521T
04-13-2008, 10:10 PM
Hello Jon,

The jewels appear to have holes in them.

I assume that to look between the plates, I'll have to disassemble the watch. That I'm unable to do. My grandfather gave me the watch in the early 1960's, and told me that is was KW/KS, and showed me how to wind and set it. It has been recently repaired here in Nashville by a watchmaker with 50+ years of experience. I believe he would tell me if it had been modified, and he has not said anything about that.

Where would the button that sets it be located?

The case is a Fahys Oresilver No. 1, patented Feb 19th, 1884,
No. 1038978. That seems to be more recent than the watch, based on its low serial number.

Thanks a lot for you help.

Regards, Neil
Jon Hanson
04-13-2008, 11:11 PM
Neil,

What is needed to tell would be to just remove the movement from its case.

Jon
Jon Hanson
04-14-2008, 12:23 PM
Consecs.... after how many years? :clap:

Terry,

If you read through my reconstructed serial number list of Marions, you will notice a fair number of consec numbers. My personal favorites are consec. numbered United States high grades I matched up over 30 years ago--the engraving is quite different on them.....one has a small dog engraved on the plates!

Jon
Bryan Eyring
05-07-2008, 03:23 AM
Jon - have you ever seen any with cats engraved on them?

~Bryan
earnshawiwish
06-02-2009, 05:10 AM
I have a Laffeyette Stratton signed on the dial USW Co (in full) no 8449.
Think I had the movement out some time ago and it looked KW not SW.

Will take apart ASAP to check.

Facinating window through the top plate?
earnshawiwish
06-02-2009, 05:15 AM
Up the right way this time.
Jon Hanson
06-02-2009, 10:32 AM
Hi,

One has to remove the movement from the case to check for SW mechanisms.
earnshawiwish
06-02-2009, 05:17 PM
Hi,

One has to remove the movement from the case to check for SW mechanisms.

Once I started looking got more and more interested, do you think the engraver got muddled with the numbers?

Could it be that this watch is earlier than the engraved no suggests?

The under dial work suggests a different quality than that expected by cursery examination.

A single roller.

Nice relief on the motion work.
terry hall
06-02-2009, 06:44 PM
looks decent from here... whadaya think jon?
Jon Hanson
06-02-2009, 08:33 PM
Yes, a true KW.

Nice job of the pictures you took! I love it!
Bryan Eyring
06-02-2009, 09:47 PM
11 jewels - nice pics too!

Regards,
Bryan
terry hall
06-02-2009, 10:08 PM
would one expect the jewel count to be higher for this grade????
Jon Hanson
06-02-2009, 10:28 PM
Terry, generally YES, but odd things can always be found on these Marion watches. It is part of the package if one collect them.
Jerry Treiman
06-03-2009, 12:34 AM
With the cap jewels on the escape and pallet arbors doesn't the jewel count hit 13? (or are there actually no stones in the steel settings?).
rrwatch
06-03-2009, 10:06 AM
With the cap jewels on the escape and pallet arbors doesn't the jewel count hit 13? (or are there actually no stones in the steel settings?).

Jerry,
When I enlarged the scan, I could see the tips of both the escape wheel and the pallet arbors. As I recall, these "cap" settings do not have a jewel in them, the hole jewel is burnished into the top plate and the "cap" is fastened over the top. The 19 jewel Marion grades do have cap jewels, on both the top and bottom of the arbors.
earnshawiwish
06-03-2009, 06:07 PM
Thanks for your kind remarks, a couple to show steel and setting more clearly.

Having to use bounce flash at this range so shadows will look different.