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BrianC
10-04-2002, 11:12 PM
I have a friend that has a Muckle style, (reverseable) case. It is marked Baldwin 1858.
Anyone familiar with this name case? I believe it was Swiss made.
Thanks,
Brian C.

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BrianC
10-04-2002, 11:12 PM
I have a friend that has a Muckle style, (reverseable) case. It is marked Baldwin 1858.
Anyone familiar with this name case? I believe it was Swiss made.
Thanks,
Brian C.

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Jon Hanson
10-05-2002, 12:26 AM
Nope! Baldwin is strictly AMERICAN-I have several very early Walthams with Baldwin reversible cases and will scan some on 149 in a day or two.

Other 149 members have these cases also-attend the free Ft Wayne, Indiana lectures in two weeks and view one in person!

Jon

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Jon Hanson, nawcc#8801
Tom McIntyre
10-05-2002, 02:58 AM
The Baldwin case is rather different from the Muckle design. Baldwin cases rotate about a 45 deg axis so that the seconds bit is in the proper position for both HC and OF configurations.

Almost all Baldwin cases are keywind. Almost all Muckle cases are stemwind. In a Muckle case the seconds bit is in the wrong position on one or the other configurations depending on whether the basic movement is a HC or OF style.

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Tom McIntyre
NAWCC 2nd VP Candidate
Tommy the JOAT's Web (http://www.AWCo.org)
BrianC
10-07-2002, 10:29 PM
Thanks for the info Jon & Tom.
Jon, I'll be at the 2002 Seminar in Boxborough, Mass. in two weeks so I will not be able to attend the Fort Wayne lectures.
Brian C.

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Tom McIntyre
10-08-2002, 03:23 AM
Glad to hear you are coming to Boxborough. We will try to make it almost as interesting as Ft. Wayne. :smile:

You may get bored out of your skull by my 2 1/2 hour lecture at the banquet. :biggrin:

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Tom McIntyre
NAWCC 2nd VP Candidate
Tommy the JOAT's Web (http://www.AWCo.org)
BrianC
10-08-2002, 10:54 PM
How come my thank you post was removed?
Brian C.

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Tom McIntyre
10-09-2002, 04:20 AM
Probably a browser problem. It is still there on my screen. http://www.nawcc.org/ubb/confused.gif

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Tom McIntyre
NAWCC 2nd VP Candidate
Tommy the JOAT's Web (http://www.AWCo.org)
Jon Hanson
10-09-2002, 05:36 AM
BC,

Don't fret, if there is an extra chapter 149 giveaway from the FREE Ft Wayne lecures I'll save it for you!

Jon

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Jon Hanson, nawcc#8801
BrianC
10-09-2002, 11:19 PM
UPdate:
The man that owns this watch has given me this info.
The watch is about a 10s. The movement says, Alfred Lavalette, Geneva and also a ser. number. The same is also on the case dust cover. Inside the front cover, Baldwin & Co. Patent April 13, 1858. and again the same serial number as the movement. The dial is signed Alfred Lavalette Geneva.
The case tests 18k. The watch comes in a wooden box with a spare crystal and a spare mainspring. There is what looks like a makers stamp inside the box on the lining that says Alfred Lavalette, Geneva. On the bottom of the box is the serial number of the watch (and case) stamped again.
With the serial number of the watch, case and box all the same, how do you suppose all this came together in an American case? Could the watch have been sent, with the box from Switzerland and then the case made? Any ideas?
Jon anything you can save me from the Fort Wayne giveaways will be greatly appreciated.
Tom, two and a half hours speech? Maybe I can have it piped into my hotel room.
Maybe Jon would like to have your speech simulcast to Fort Wayne? <g>
Brian C.


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Tom McIntyre
10-10-2002, 02:53 AM
Baldwin Magic Cases are very finely made and of high quality. They were sold in Europe as well as the United States. I believe the original patent is Swiss, but the Baldwin company was in Newark, New Jersey according to Niebling.

I have had a very nice large London lever in a Baldwin case and have seen other Swiss examples. Baldwin cases are found on various American keywinds. My favorite, which I do not own, is an American Watch Co. Grade 1859 model in a Baldwin case of about 5 ounces. http://www.nawcc.org/ubb/eek.gif

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Tom McIntyre
NAWCC 2nd VP Candidate
Tommy the JOAT's Web (http://www.AWCo.org)
Jon Hanson
10-10-2002, 03:12 AM
Hi Brian,

We wouldn't have time for TM, except that his material actually *might be* the only FRESH MATERIAL at your pricy Boxborough bash; however, with Tapp and myself speaking we probably won't be *allowed* to stop for lunch! :biggrin:

Jon

PS It could prove to be an historic occasion -- watching Bill skip lunch! http://www.nawcc.org/ubb/rolleyes.gif

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Jon Hanson, nawcc#8801
Tom McIntyre
10-10-2002, 04:24 AM
Jon, my material is always fresh. I make it up on the spot. :biggrin:

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Tom McIntyre
NAWCC 2nd VP Candidate
Tommy the JOAT's Web (http://www.AWCo.org)
Jon Hanson
10-10-2002, 04:27 AM
Now, everyone will know that you are a BSer; Tom, the clean up, man at the zoo! :biggrin:

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Jon Hanson, nawcc#8801