19 jewel bunn 60 hour

[elginvanguard]

i am looking at an illinois bunn that is supposed to be a 60 hour but it doesnt say 60 hour on movt.he tells me they didnt all say so on movement i have a 21 60 hour and it is wriiten on movement the number of this 19 jewel is 3897628,any help would be greatly appriciated

[elginvanguard]

i am looking at an illinois bunn that is supposed to be a 60 hour but it doesnt say 60 hour on movt.he tells me they didnt all say so on movement i have a 21 60 hour and it is wriiten on movement the number of this 19 jewel is 3897628,any help would be greatly appriciated

[Wes]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">3897628 </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

The Illinois database does not indicate this is a 60 hour.
Also, it indicates it is a Bunn Special, not a Bunn, with 21 Jewels.
I suppose the database could be wrong, as your post indicated that SN should be a 19J Bunn, possibly with a 60 hour Main spring.

[crsides]

The 19j 60hr is marked either motor barrel 60 or sixty or both. If it is not marked 60 or sixty hour, or it is not a 60 hr bunn. I don't care if it runs 160 hrs, it's gotta be marked.

Agree with Wes, probably has a 60 hr mainspring.

A MARKED 19h 60hr will bring twice the price of a 19j bunn.


Charlie

[Wes]

I happen to have this 19J 60 hour Bunn right now:
Click on the photo for a close up
http://www.pocketwatchsite.com/sale/illin/illin_4726948d_s.jpg (http://www.pocketwatchsite.com/sale/illin/illin_4726948d.html)

[terry hall]

The watch Wes shows is a Type II movement...

The Type I will have "motor barrel 60" only...

The Type III will have "sixty hour" only.....

Like above, if one of these markings are not on the watch..... it is not a 60 hour watch.... even "IF" it will run 60 hours....

Illinois made the motor barrel model 11 19j bunn before making the model 14 sixty hour movement.

This confusion also happens with the 23 jewel version...... it was also offered in both models 11 and 14....



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[Fred Hansen]

I've heard these statements before of unmarked 60 hour Bunn and Bunn Special watches ... I think sometimes it really is confusion on the seller's part, but at other times I believe some have looked to sell this "story" to raise the price of a common watch.

Fred

[Tom McIntyre]

Does this distinction also apply to Sangamo Specials? I had thought that they were listed as 60 hour but unmarked.

[elginvanguard]

wow its good to get so much feedback ,even if its not what i wanted to hear..also i wrote ser# wrong it is 3597628

[Tom McIntyre]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">3597628 </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
That one is a Bunn.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">"Bunn" - Temperature, 5 positions, isochronism - Ruby jewels in raised gold settings, gold balance screws and train wheels, jeweled 48-hour motor barrel - Patent regulator </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

[terry hall]

just that one little number.... makes all the difference in the world.... :wink:

it is still a model 11....

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[John Cote]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Tom McIntyre:
Does this distinction also apply to Sangamo Specials? I had thought that they were listed as 60 hour but unmarked. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

No Tom. The Sangamo Specials were different. Most of the the 17 size Sangamo Specials which were built with 60 hour manspring barrels were not marked on the movements as 60 hour. Only the last of them were so marked.

[elginvanguard]

while i have your attention i was wondering if all 19 jewel ill. have jeweled barrels and in the book it mentions marked jeweled barrel is thatseperate from motor barrel?

[terry hall]

The Jeweled barrel version is a model 9, it is not a motor barrel....

the barrel is internally jeweled... and the movements are marked 'jeweled barrel'....


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[Kent]

elginvanguard:

19-jewel railroad standard watches were generally developed to meet different roads' requirements, exemplified by this this one:

Ball's detailed instructions to watch inspectors of the Cleveland & Pittsburg(h) Division of the Pennsylvania Rail Road (known as the "Standard Railroad of the World") as reported in the Jewelers' Circular - Weekly and Horological Review, January 17, 1906, pages 84 & 88 (<span class="ev_code_blue">Courtesy NAWCC Library</span>).

Paragraph 4-C. - "Therefore it is suggested and recommended that employes when purchasing new watches for use in railroad service, should select 17 or 19 jeweled grades, which have steel escape wheels, sapphire pallets, double roller escapements, Breguet hairsprings, patent regulators, adjusted to temperature, isochronism and five positions. Besides the regular standard, 17 jewels, the 19 jeweled watches must have two bearings jeweled in the going parts of the mainspring barrel, to fill all the requirements."

It should be noted that "... suggested and recommended ..." does not mean "required."