What is a moon and star trademark?

[Sheila Gilbert]

I have, what looks like a cheap? case, and it says Patented Trade Mark with a star and a moon symbol and the number 8673. Can you tell me who made it, or if it is safe to store my old movement in, until I get a good one?
Thank you,
Sheila

[Sheila Gilbert]

I have, what looks like a cheap? case, and it says Patented Trade Mark with a star and a moon symbol and the number 8673. Can you tell me who made it, or if it is safe to store my old movement in, until I get a good one?
Thank you,
Sheila

[Jerry Treiman]

The crescent moon and star is usually the trademark for the Crescent Watch Case Co. They made very good cases. I have seen many of these in nickel with 4-digit serial numbers, and I am guessing that may be what you have. Nickel cases are very sturdy and dependable cases. I have also seen silver and gold-filled cases from Crescent, but have yet to see a solid gold example.

[Sheila Gilbert]

WOW, I thought is was a little heavy!
I got it so inexpensive I thought it was nothing. I was trying to get one to hold an old watch in until I got it cased and maybe I got a good one.

This one has is in 2 parts. (actually 3) It's a case that holds the movement, with a "Movement Holder" that lifts up from inside the case, it has a hinge, and then the crystal screws on top of it.
There is a slight indication that there is a pattern all around the inside of the case, that looks like connected circles.
When I first opened it, I thought, wow it looks like silver or nickel, so maybe it is nickel!
It also has a place for a lever in the front of it.
Thank you so much for the information.
Sheila

[Sheila Gilbert]

I forgot to mention, that there is a name inscribed on the outside of the case and it's seriously fancy, but so worn you can hardly make it out.
Sheila

[Sheila Gilbert]

I also forgot to mention that he case is 2 1/4 " across, and the part that holds the movement inside it is 1 3/4" wide. those are ??I am not good at measuring. I used a ruler.
Sheila

[HenryB]

I just acquired a watch, with the same case, number 9126.
I will show the 18S movement this weekend.

[Sheila Gilbert]

With the rough measurements I gave, can anyone tell me what size it is?
Thank you,
Sheila

[Tom Huber]

HI Sheila, Sounds like you have a "pair case". These were very common for early English made watches, but are uncommon for American cases

Tom

[HenryB]

Here are American and Swiss sizing charts.

Also Easier to measure in millimeters than inches.

http://www.oldwatch.com/amsizes.html

http://www.oldwatch.com/swsizes.html

I tend to suspect that a rough measurement of 1.75 inches is a 16 size (if American), but that is just a guess. Get that millimeter ruler out :smile:

[Kenny D]

Sheila,
My call is American 18 size "swingout" case. Remember to pull the pendant out before "swinging" the movement in or out.

:smile:

[Kenny D]

Here`s a link to a "Swing out" type pocket watch on ebay for comparison.

Swing Out (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=10302&item=4110803368&rd=1)

:smile:

[Sheila Gilbert]

Well, THAT'S IT!!! and I found the hallmarks too!
IF you could link this ebay auction it shows the halmark I have on mine. Mine DOES NOT say
CWC Co though, mine says patented with the symbols just like the ones on this auction.

I can't link the page but the auction number is
4111295071 and if you put the number in and also click the "In Description" also it will come up if you have an auction site yourself.

Sorry for the inconvience, but I am stuck for the pictures.

THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH FOR THE LINK TO THE PICTURE, IT IS LIKE THAT ONE, WITH THE MOVEMENT HOLDER INSIDE CONNECTED TO THE INSIDE OF THE CASE AND IT SWINGS UP THE SAME WAY.

You guys are just GREAT! So I take it that it IS a Crescent Watch case and it's a "Swing- Out"? Is that what it is called?

Wow, how great, I only wish I knew how old or yourn it was, if you have an idea please let me know.
Thank you sweeties, all of you!

Sheila

[Tom Huber]

Hey Kenny, I didn't think of a swingout case. DUH!! Must be my age.

Tom

[Sheila Gilbert]

Tom,
DUH! is what I have to say, I am the one here that knows NOTHING!

Thanks for the "Find"!

Now I only have a dozen more to find. lolol

I will make you crazy before this is all done.
Bless,
Sheila

[Kenny D]

Tom

I know the feeling!

Sheila,

They are called "Swing Out" cases. That link was the only pic I could find of one. Sorry but I don`t have any more info on cases or approximate age.
Here is the link to your hallmark.

Hallmark (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4111295071)

:smile:

[Sheila Gilbert]

Kenny,
You hit the nail on the head sweetie!
Thank you so much. It was so good to finally know what it is. Thank you!!!
I am working on the case thing too, I am a real idiot about cases.

PS As soon as I took a look at the picture I almost flipped, FINALLY, I knew something about it.

Bless you ALL,
Sheila

[Jerry Treiman]

There are actually a couple of different types of "swing out" cases. The style shown already was called a "swing ring" case by the manufacturers. These almost always have a solid back and body with a threaded bezel that screws on. Another type of swing out case was the "single jointed" case. These had a single joint connecting the front and back half of the case which snap together. There is no central ring to the case body. The movement of these is held in an internal ring that is hinged inside the clamshell type case. The movement ring includes the pendant (stem, crown and bow). Some of these swing on the same hinge as the case body, but most have a separate hinge inside for the movement ring.

[HenryB]

Sheila
I put a pic of my recently acquired watch with the 9126 Cresent Nickle Swingout Case down in the 149 forum today.

[Kent]

Apparently, Crescent tried to enforce its patents to restrict the manufacture of Swing Ring cases by other companies (see link below). However, the courts must not have upheld their claims because other brands of these cases were still made.

Kent

[HenryB]

Since the Crescent are of a nickle type composition, is this a similair composition as the silveroid/silveride cases used by other case manufacture's?

[Kent]

Henry:

Crescent made silver swing-ring cases (and probably gold-filled also) as well as nickel ones. The materials you asked about are all different trade names for what is essentially nickel:

Nickel cases, sometimes referred to as nickel-silver cases, were relatively inexpensive and are durable. When polished up properly, they attain a nice luster, appearing like silver, but not quite as "white." American watch case companies produced nickel cases under various trade names including,

Alaska Metal - Sold by Sears, Roebuck & Co.
Argentine - Bay State Watch Case Co. (also Argentine-Silver which contains Silver, Nickel & Copper)
Oresilver - Fahys Watch Case Co.
Nickel Silver - Illinois Watch Case Co.
Silverine - Dueber Watch Case Co.
Silverode - Philadelphia. Watch Case Co.
Silveroid - Keystone Watch Case Co.

Kent

[Tom McIntyre]

Nickel and the various Oresilver, Silveroid, Silverine, etc are all variations on the same nickel alloy material.

English cases used swing rings from the late 18th century, so the swing ring itself would be prior art. Ezra C. Fitch of Waltham Watch Co. patented (http://www.awco.org/AWCo/Other/EzraFitch/ezrafitch.htm) the dustproof swing ring case in 1879. Crescent may have purchased those rights from Waltham after Waltham stopped their own case manufacturer.

http://www.awco.org/AWCo/Other/EzraFitch/US000214642-1_small.jpg (http://www.awco.org/AWCo/Other/EzraFitch/US000214642-1.jpg)

[Kent]

Tom:

They probably gained control of the patents when old ref::Crescent Purchased Waltham's Case Business.

Kent

[Sheila Gilbert]

HenryB,
What great pictures! Thank you
Sheila

[Sheila Gilbert]

Tom,
This illustration is fantastic!
My other gold colored watch case has that same bezel too. thank you for the example.
2 in 1 now I have info. on two more of my cases.
Thank you,
Sheila