Help to identify an hi grade swiss movement

[pdaneu]

Hi for all,

I bought an swiss watch, but there are no names in it. For me it appears like on Patek, Vacheron, Alpina, Louis Audemars, etc.. It was be made by spanish market.

I know that it is an 44mm pin set movement with wolf teeth and moustache lever and not hunter.

There are 2 numbers in it 8189 and 67013.

In the central bridge there is an trademark that I can find the owner. The trademark is an A L with an compass and is engraved "trade marck". There is a close of it in the first picture.

Any help will be welcome.

Thanks,


Paulo

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http://www.tempusvivendi.com.br/forum/nawcc/m1.jpg

[pdaneu]

Hi for all,

I bought an swiss watch, but there are no names in it. For me it appears like on Patek, Vacheron, Alpina, Louis Audemars, etc.. It was be made by spanish market.

I know that it is an 44mm pin set movement with wolf teeth and moustache lever and not hunter.

There are 2 numbers in it 8189 and 67013.

In the central bridge there is an trademark that I can find the owner. The trademark is an A L with an compass and is engraved "trade marck". There is a close of it in the first picture.

Any help will be welcome.

Thanks,


Paulo

http://www.tempusvivendi.com.br/forum/nawcc/m2.jpg

http://www.tempusvivendi.com.br/forum/nawcc/m1.jpg

[Nachtmotte]

Hello Paulo,
may it´s possible to show us a bigger picture of the symbol? Do you see what´s engraved "A L....?"

Sadly I couldn´t find any matching symbol in KARL KOCHMANN´s Trademark Index nor in KATHLEEN PRITCHARD´s Swiss Timepiece Makers 1775-1975.
May someone of the experts here have more luck to identify it?

Seems to me for a middle grade of quality: woolf teeth wheels but only 15 jewels, bimetallic screwbalance. Three finger bridge, might be a typical swiss work around 1870-90?
Best regards
Tony

[jakraka]

Hello Paulo,

the raw movement seems to be LeCoultre Caliber 6.

http://static.flickr.com/64/207195350_d867dd80bf_o.jpg

According to my opinion Your movement features 17 jewels (escape wheel with endstones).

Regards

Jan

[pdaneu]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Nachtmotte:
Hello Paulo,
may it´s possible to show us a bigger picture of the symbol? Do you see what´s engraved "A L....?"

Sadly I couldn´t find any matching symbol in KARL KOCHMANN´s Trademark Index nor in KATHLEEN PRITCHARD´s Swiss Timepiece Makers 1775-1975.
May someone of the experts here have more luck to identify it?

Seems to me for a middle grade of quality: woolf teeth wheels but only 15 jewels, bimetallic screwbalance. Three finger bridge, might be a typical swiss work around 1870-90?
Best regards
Tony </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hi Tony,

Bellow the A L is engraved "Trade Marck".

I tried to find the symbol in Karl Kochmann´s Trademark.

Regards,

Paulo

[pdaneu]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by jakraka:
Hello Paulo,

the raw movement seems to be LeCoultre Caliber 6.

http://static.flickr.com/64/207195350_d867dd80bf_o.jpg

According to my opinion Your movement features 17 jewels (escape wheel with endstones).

Regards

Jan </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hi Jan,

It appears like this Le Coultre, but I saw in "Complete Price Guide to Watches" one Assmann with Alpina movement that for me is the same movement.

Regards,

Paulo

[Nachtmotte]

Hello Paulo,
Jan have done the right identification. I wasn´t sure if it was a LeCoultre but "A L" fits to Antoine LeCoultre. Also the movement matches. Jan is right!
The company made a lot of different caliber types and sometimes it´s not easy to find them out, because of missing pictures. It seems to me that many swiss companies have little difficulties in their beginning aera for keeping documents and it´s on our own to close such missing links. That´s what we´re looking for.
Sending you my best regards
Tony

[pdaneu]

Hi Tony and Jan,

You are correct. I was reading the LeCoultre history and they made movements and parts for many swiss companies like V&C, Patek, etc..

Regards,

Paulo