Model 92 Appleton Tracy and Co production figures

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I have posted a table with Model 92 Appleton Tracy production figures. I have done this in Front Page and according to the instructions, there may be a problem viewing it. This is the link ATC Production (http://oswegonet.com/model92/ATCOF.htm). If you check it out and have a problem getting to it would you please let me know. In some instances you can click on a photo of a certain variation. If it works OK I will complete it so that all variations are viewable.

Jim

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I have posted a table with Model 92 Appleton Tracy production figures. I have done this in Front Page and according to the instructions, there may be a problem viewing it. This is the link ATC Production (http://oswegonet.com/model92/ATCOF.htm). If you check it out and have a problem getting to it would you please let me know. In some instances you can click on a photo of a certain variation. If it works OK I will complete it so that all variations are viewable.

Jim

[Kent]

Hi Jim:

It worked O.K. for me.

Very nice work, thanks for all of your effort.

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Kent-

Glad it worked and thanks for the compliment. It is nice to be able to start sharing the data. I would also like to thank you and Ed for the serial numbers you contributed from your database.

The following paragraph is part of an onging thread from the 149 board that some of you might be interested in. It is in response to a question about whether or not my ATC production figures include Premiers. It is also a disclaimer of sorts explaining why the production figures need to be used with a bit of caution.


It is my intention that these numbers do not include Premiers, which I have broken out into seperate runs. If you check this link ATC P (http://oswegonet.com/model92/ATCP.htm) you will find 2 tables and a breif explanation of how I go about trying to break the data down. There may be Premiers out there that have not yet surfaced. When they do it will change the numbers.

Jim

[Keith H]

Hi Jim,
I agree with Kent. No problem viewing.Excellent info, I guess I'll have to get my ATC's out and have another look at them.

Keith

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Keith-

If you find any discrepencies please let me know.

Jim

[Fred Hansen]

How many of the 1892 model Appleton Tracy & Co. movements were marked as adjusted to 5 positions?

Fred

[IMHO]

Jim,

Based on a question on your excellent site with respect to the this run and whether or not it has three screws on the barrel bridge, see the PL sn 9,544,736 attached with 3 screws on the bridge.

Dave

[IMHO]

Hmmm ... 2nd try at attaching the pic ...

[Kent]

How many of the 1892 model Appleton Tracy & Co. movements were marked as adjusted to 5 positions?

Fred

Fred:

I think that only the Appleton Tracy & Co. Premier movements were marked as adjusted to 5 positions. This February 1902 Ad (http://photos22.flickr.com/26996735_0353e00848_o.jpg) shows that the AT&Co was only adjusted to three positions, while this October 1902 Introduction of the AT&Co Premier (http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2006-9/1217458/1902_Oct_1_ATCo_Premier_LR.JPG) shows that it was adjusted to five positions.

But to more directly answer your question, I don't think that the AT&Co Premier was in production long enough to reach the 1906-1908 period when Waltham started marking the number of adjustment positions on their movements. Thus, I'd be surprised to see any that are marked as adjusted to 5 positions.

[Fred Hansen]

Thanks Kent, I've owned a few Premier but none of these have had a 5 position marking.

But what I did pick up recently was a regular (not "Premier") Appleton Tracy in the 18 million serial range that is marked 5 Positions. I know I'd seen just a few others like it and thought they were also at higher serial numbers.

I'll try to get a pic up here of the watch by tomorrow evening.

Fred

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There are 3 serial numbers in the database for Premiers marked "5 Positions" 12527501, 12542140 and 12566517. The last Premier recorded is 14195359. Any reported or observed Appleton Tracy's (non Premiers) that are marked "5 Positions" occur after 18 million. There is strong ATC production up to just past 16 million but only 1 run in the 17 million range. There are 5 runs of open face movements in the 18 million range totalling 1825 and 1 run of hunters (100) but no movements from this run have been observed. Not all of the movements in the 18 million range were reported with the 5P marking and it's impossible to say if they weren't marked or if that's an oversight. It is safe to say that marked ATCs are not common.

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Dave-Thanks for the pic and the number. I have not updated the site in a while and at the moment I have my hands more than full with another project. The current project is forcing me to examine the data with pretty intensly and I'm learning a lot about the '92. When this is finished the site will probably have to be redone.

Thanks again,

Jim

[Kent]

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Fred:

That's what I get for not checking our data base before answering. Ed and I have the following watches listed as being A5P (all of whcih totally surprise me):

AT&Co Premier S/N 12542140
AT&Co S/N 18083442
AT&Co S/N 18107438

Sorry 'bout that,

[Fred Hansen]

No need at all to apologize Kent ... you and Ed are always tremendously helpful anytime anyone asks for info and I really appreciate it!

The serial number of the example I picked up recently is 18083057, and I'll try to add some pics for the thread here within the next day or two.

Fred

[Fred Hansen]

Finally got some pics taken, here is the dial and movement of 5 position marked #18083057 ...

[Kent]

Very nice watch! Thanks for posting it!

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Fred-Great looking watch and great photo. Any problem using it in the Bulletin?

Jim

[IMHO]

Fred, Jim;

This CRTS is I believe from an ATCo run (at least, it appears to have the ATCo winding wheels) and is very close to Fred's number, but marked A5P in a different location, as pictured below:

[IMHO]

Fred, Jim;

This CRTS is I believe from an ATCo run (at least, it appears to have the ATCo winding wheels) and is very close to Fred's number, but marked A5P in a different location, as pictured below:



now with the attachment ... ???

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Both watches are from the same run. CRTS movements use the same damascening on the winding wheels as the ATC. As far as I know, all CRTS movements are maked "5 Positions" in the same manner as your photo IMHO. Nice watch, by the way.