Favorite dials ...

[Fred Hansen]

Thought it would be interesting to start a thread on what some of our favorite dials are ... either in general or among those that we own.

I scanned this one a while back to show on the Chapter 149 message board so some here will have seen it before but this is the dial in my collection I probably like the most, an 18 size Rockford with an image of the watch factory ...

http://www.nawcc-info.org/Hansen/fh013.jpg



http://www.nawcc-info.org/Hansen/fh012.jpg

Fred

[Jerry Treiman]

Gee whiz, Fred. When you start with a dial like that it is kinda tough to follow. However, I'll try. This hand-carved dial with enamel-filled numbers was made in Switzerland for an Illinois 12-size watch.
http://static.flickr.com/85/256007730_54b92dc1af_o.jpg

[Fred Hansen]

Very neat dial Jerry! Can I ask what movement is behind it?

Fred

[Fred Hansen]

Hi Robert, it came to me on a partial grade 935 movement ... I will have to check on the serial number but if I remember right it was in the 500 or 600 thousands.

Fred

[Robert Sweet]

Fred,
Thank you. This is a great topic and will be very educational to all. Thanks for sharing.

Robert

[Jerry Treiman]

The dial came to me unused and I put it on a grade 410 that needed a dial. It is the earlier "Jeweled Barrel" version with those beautifully cupped and polished winding wheels.

[Fred Hansen]

A wonderful combination there Jerry.

Fred

[doug sinclair]

This dial (http://members.shaw.ca/doug.sinclair/Hamilton%20902%20001.jpg) is on a Hamilton 12-size, grade 902. It is not a watch from my collection. I find it interesting. I believe it to be acid-etched sterling silver. I wouldn't give up an arm or some other body part to own the watch, but it is certainly a different dial.

[rrstd]

http://webpages.charter.net/rlucke/HamIllCentraldial.jpg

[terry hall]

Whew! Rhett!

Talk about a Busy dial!

Great one.. thanks...

I agree Doug... acid etch...

Jerry... Think stamped or hand engraved? If stamped, the die was hand engraved...

Fred... "thumbs UP"....


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[Jerry Treiman]

Terry - the centers are engine-turned but I always believed that the chapter rings were hand chased (although I suppose it could have been stamped).

[Fred Hansen]

Doug -

Very neat 12 size dial there! Are you aware of any Hamilton factory advertisements which show its availability?

Fred

[Fred Hansen]

Incredible RR marked dial there Rhett and thanks for posting! I expect it is a Hamilton ... but a 16 or 18 size?

Fred

[rrstd]

Sorry, it's an 18's Hamilton

[Greg Frauenhoff]

I posted this one earlier in the month, but it fits the current topic:

http://members.aol.com/gfrauen/newyorkq.jpg

[Wes]

I get to look at some of my favorite dials on my wall every day - on this poster:
http://www.pocketwatchsite.com/images/chap149/83poster/MidAmPostert.jpg (http://www.pocketwatchsite.com/images/chap149/83poster/MidAmPoster.jpg)

[Fred Hansen]

Not a bad bunch of movements either Wes! That is one poster that you just don't get tired of looking at.

:biggrin:

Fred

[Jerry Treiman]

Appreciating this dial is perhaps a matter of taste, but it is of interest for a few reasons. First, it was made (in Switzerland) for an American watch - a Waltham 10-size Colonial A. Secondly, it is unusual to find dials with a combination of enamel and metalwork, at least in the 20th century. The lack of a seconds dial occurs in a number of thin watches, including some of the Waltham Colonial A and Illinois thin models. The central carving has a relatively high relief to it.
http://static.flickr.com/86/257894971_546149d180_o.jpg

[Jeff Hess]

You know, I really appreciate Jerry's dedication to the 12 size genre and his shareing of info on what must be the most understudied aspect of watch collecting.


And Rhett...what a cool dial. Thanks. As an aside, you probably already know that Ingersoll was one of Ball's watch inspectors. I have some of his speeches at Watch inspectors meetings if you want them. (Edited by me for the silly spelling errors... sorry)

[Fred Hansen]

A 16 size fancy Illinois dial I like a lot ...

http://www.interstatetime.com/WatchOTM/images/Grade179/Gr179HansenDial-2.jpg

... and the movement behind this dial is a hunting case grade 179 from 1896.

Fred

p.s. My thanks again to friend John Cote for taking this photo ... a terrific image as always from John!

[rrstd]

Jeff,

To be honest, I did not know that Ingersoll was one of Ball's Inspectors but it does not surprise me given the location.

I would of course be very interested in the speaches.

Rhett

[Jeff Hess]

At a meeting of the Safety First Meeting in 1913, of the Illinois Central RR and the Yazoo & Mississippi Valley RR, presided over by Mr Ball, Mr Ingersoll complains about how big his territory is and how it takes him 4 days to cover his 30 miles of terrtory, yet how proud he is to be associated with the ICRR.

Later in the same meeting, Ingersoll grouses about his tratment by the ICRR and the fact that they will not give him passes anymore and how uncomforable it is to hen ride yhe freight trains instead.

At a meeting in 1914, Ingersoll passionatly says "I like the Inspection business, mt whole heart is in it. I believe in this organization,
..and I want to better it and I want us to agree upon some of watch as a loaner so we can all put out the same grade of watch. I do not always supply the same grade of watch to all of the men as I do the Conducter and the Engineer"

In a 1917 meeting of the same broup, Ingersoll and Ball get into a testy exchange about loaners and Ball dresses Ingersoll down a tad. (At this same meeting there is a guest in attendence by the name of Shepherd who is listed as a "traveling engineer" from Fulton Illinois.)

Jeff

[Fred Hansen]

Does anyone else remember the December 1988 NAWCC Bulletin? :wink:

Here is a photo of that cover, which shows probably the most spectacular Illinois Watch Co. dial I've ever seen pictured ...

http://render2.snapfish.com/render2/is=Yup6l0P%7C%3Dup6%3DzqH%3AxxqUD7qRUrKxzX7BHpUUKx gXPJJ%3F87KR6xqpxQQQexoloxaPaxv8uOc5xQQQ0oPeGPnoJP qpfVtB%3F*KUp7BHSHqqy7XH6gXPJJ%7CRup6aQQ%7C/of=50,349,442

And here is a closer look at the dial shown on that cover ...

http://render2.snapfish.com/render2/is=Yup6aQQ%7C%3Dup6%3DzqH%3AxxqUD7qRUrKxzX7BHpUUKx gXPJQ%3F87KR6xqpxQQQexoloxaPaxv8uOc5xQQQ0oPeGPnoJo qpfVtB%3F*KUp7BHSHqqy7XH6gXPJQ%7CRup6lJn%7C/of=50,546,443


There is a great article in this issue by Eugene T. Fuller about the watch behind this magnificent dial, which is a special order Illinois "Stuart" made for L.L. Hatch of Bloomington, Illinois. Here are some more views that can be found in this issue of the dial and watch ...

Movement image from rear cover (http://render2.snapfish.com/render2/is=Yup6aQQ%7C%3Dup6%3DzqH%3AxxqUD7qRUrKxzX7BHpUUKx gXP0n%3F87KR6xqpxQQQexoloxaPaxv8uOc5xQQQ0oPeGJnePo qpfVtB%3F*KUp7BHSHqqy7XH6gXP0n%7CRup6lnQ%7C/of=50,513,443)

Dial close-up in article (http://render2.snapfish.com/render2/is=Yup6eoo%7C%3Dup6%3DzqH%3AxxqUD7qRUrKxzX7BHpUUKx gXPJJ%3F87KR6xqpxQQQexoloxaPaxv8uOc5xQQQ0oPeGJnePP qpfVtB%3F*KUp7BHSHqqy7XH6gXPJJ%7CRup6aQQ%7C/of=50,399,442)


As an Illinois collector I've read Mr. Fuller's article and stared at these photos many many times, but I could still look at this bulletin all day long!

:biggrin:

Fred

[Tom McIntyre]

Beautiful dials. They might make me want to start collecting them. I only have one very fancy dial.
http://www.awco.org/AWCo/American/Hewett72/dial.jpg

[4thdimension]

Tom,
I've only encountered two of these in my career. The roots on yours are a bit veinier than the ones I saw. The veinier the better I think.

Fred,
Thank you for the Hatch dial redux. I haven't forgotten that I promised to get a Hatch ser. no. for you. The guy who got the watch on the day I reported it buried it in his junk. He is good for the number as soon as it surfaces again. Holding your breath is not advised :rolleyes: .
-Cort

[Fred Hansen]

A new photo for the new board, an 83 model Waltham dial ...

[Bill Tapp]

Here are two of my favorite 1888 Waltham dials.

Bill Tapp

http://home.comcast.net/~billtapp/88_Dials.jpg

[Jeff Hess]

stunning pic Fred!

I have had great fun searching for folks named Isaac Samuel.

So far the only two that make any sense (pure speculation... but fun) are Isaac Samuel who was a rairlroad exec in England in the 1890's and a story about an Isaac Samuel who battle Cortes.


Any idea of the history of the dial or the person?

Jeff (history buff)

[PW Collector]

Jeff,
I believe the dial Fred posted which has I Samuel Chap. XX is from the bible. 1st Samuel Chapter 20 where David is convinced that King Saul is trying to kill him.
Dave

[Clint Geller]

Here's my favorite. A personalized black signed Moorhouse N Size Howard dial. There are only two signed black MH dials known, and this is the only personalized ("runic") one.

Clint

[kirxklox]

Here are a few of my favorites from my collection!

http://gallery.webhorology.com/albums/userpics/10001/12WatchDials013103.jpeg

[Clyde Roper]

Guys, these are some simply amazing dials. Thanks for sharing the images.

[terry hall]

There is some KILLER stuff here folks!

Here is an example of an Interesting Dial...

Scan shown with permission of the owner of the scan and dial

[Fred Hansen]

That is definitely one of my favorites I've ever seen!!!

Fred

[terry hall]

i have often wondered just what story it told.....

i think jon had lost a hard drive but i had saved to mine some time ago.



.

[crsides]

Thanks guys.

These are just great to look at.


Charlie

[Luca]

This is kind of interesting. Just got it off eBay in a box lot. It is only a size 6, is DS and has some damage. Maybe an amateur job? The artwork has to be awfully small. Don't yet know what company...the dial feet are at 12-13, 40, 57-58.

http://www.lucadicecco.com/watch/1891dial.jpg

[Jerry Treiman]

Based on foot position Luca's dial may be for a 4-size Illinois. Pretty neat dial :clap:

[Tom McIntyre]

Jon is pretty upset that he cannot seem to get his registration activated, but he wanted to share these dials.

Jon is pretty upset that he cannot seem to get his registration activated, but he wanted to share these dials.




Tom,

Jon is on moderation and can post whenever he wants, but it must be cleared first.

[Doug Addy]

May I add this dial. On Hamilton 912 Coast Guardnullclick here (http://www.)[colour=]

[ckeithjohnson]

Jon is pretty upset that he cannot seem to get his registration activated, but he wanted to share these dials.



:?| OK I give up. What is the significance of all the numbers on Jon's Empire City dials???

[Tom McIntyre]

The dials are both calibrated to New York City and give the time in the named cities and the differential longitude (I think). The distance might be travel distance instead of longitude, I have not checked.

Such a timekeeper was necessary when all towns kept local time. If you were travelling from New York to Buffalo, you needed to know the time of your appointment there.

[Tom McIntyre]

On looking further at the dials, the distances are as the crow flies, not east/west.

[Jeff Hamilton]

I cannot seem to post a picture???

Jon,

If you click here the help button at the top of the page you will see several help files. Here is the one for posting pictures.

Help - FAQ: How do I upload an image with my post?
While you are filling in the subject and content for your post, you will see an "Attach a File?" check box underneath the large text area. Put a check in that box to upload a file with your post, then click "Post Thread" when you've finished entering your subject and content. You will be taken to a page to upload your file - click the topmost "Browse" button, and search your hard drive for the file you wish to upload. Then click the "Attach" button at the bottom.

[Jon Hanson]

Howard

[terry hall]

:clap:

Welcome Jon.........

Whut a Howard Ferguson dial!

[Jon Hanson]

a favorite and unique from obtained from George "patina" Kelsch 4 decades ago; 18s

[Timebuilder]

Hey! Is Jon Hanson back on this board?

I sure hope so. I love his dials and his good information on the early American watches.

:clap:

:thumb:

[Jon Hanson]

scan didn't work for my last post; trying again

http://www.nawcc-info.org/JH019iie.jpg

[Jon Hanson]

Thought it would be interesting to start a thread on what some of our favorite dials are ... either in general or among those that we own. I scanned this one a while back to show on the Chapter 149 message board so some here will have seen it before but this is the dial in my collection I probably like the most, an 18 size Rockford with an image of the watch factory.
Fred

Maybe some could post the jpg from Tom McIntyre's site which he didn't do.

[Jon Hanson]

last post is not necessary--sorry for the mixup but I was unable to post my dial from Tom's site; Jeff corrected it with the picture of the Chicago Expo rare 18s dial

[Larry S]

My favorite dial. Well, maybe not my favorite, but certainly unique.

http://www.soochx.org/images/fergy.jpg

Larry

[Jon Hanson]

South Bend

[Jon Hanson]

are these cool, or what?

[Jon Hanson]

speaking of the CW

[Jon Hanson]

civil war?

http://www.nawcc-info.org/JH021DIAL.jpg

[Jon Hanson]

18s

[Jon Hanson]

18s US

[Jon Hanson]

18s US monogram

[Mike Kenley]

One more time.

I just acquired this 18s Unsinged Dial. Can anyone help to identify it?

[Jon Hanson]

I don't understand this--the posts are out of order!

???

Mike--I now see the picture. Is that an Elgin?

Jon

[Mike Kenley]

That's what I want to know.

[Jon Hanson]

Mike,

Either list the minute position of the feet or take your dial and lay it on top of a signed dial and try to match up the feet.

Are your dial feet pin held or screw set?

Jon

[Jon Hanson]

18s Elgin

[crsides]

Very cool Jon

[Jon Hanson]

Pa RR

[Mike Kenley]

Jon,

The dial is held by set screws.

[Jon Hanson]

probably stem wind

Jon

[Mike Kenley]

Mike,

Either list the minute position of the feet or take your dial and lay it on top of a signed dial and try to match up the feet.

Are your dial feet pin held or screw set?

Jon


Jon

The dial feet are at 0:59, 0:17 and 0:37

[Mike Kenley]

Can anyone identify this 18s Private Label?

[Kent]

We might be able to, if it was a little bigger.

[Paul Regan]

One of my favorites. Paul

[Jon Hanson]

and a matching unsigned one

[Tom McIntyre]

I don't suppose any of these early ones are signed, are they?

Thanks for the bigger image Jon. My eyes could not see the mulberries on Paul's dial.

[Jon Hanson]

I don't suppose any of these early ones are signed, are they?

Thanks for the bigger image Jon. My eyes could not see the mulberries on Paul's dial.


Signed ON THE BACK(?)--NO, none of mine like this are signed on the back. The one I pictured is the only one I have unsigned by the company on the front.

I also once had an early Howard KW with this type of dial, but I traded it because it was in horrble condition.....too bad.

[Jon Hanson]

Tagline: notice the seconds bits on the two -- Paul's is sunk, my unsigned one is not.

Jon

[Paul Regan]

Interesting that all of these (that I know) are A.T.&Co grade also. Paul

Tom, how do I produce a larger picture?

[Jon Hanson]

Interesting that all of these (that I know) are A.T.&Co grade also. Paul

Paul, not neseccarily so, as the unsigned one is on a very early American W Co--remember, real AT & Cos run to 15000+ ONLY!

Hope to scan a red one tonight for you & the Waltham lovers........

Jon

[Jon Hanson]

Interesting that all of these (that I know) are A.T.&Co grade also. Paul

Paul, not neseccarily so, as the unsigned one is on a very early American W Co--remember, real AT & Cos run to 15000+ ONLY! HOWEVER, I will present a scan of one signed American Watch Co. tonight.

Also, hope to scan an AT & Co. red one tonight for you & the rest of the Waltham lovers, freaks and officionados........

Jon

[Jon Hanson]

dropped the loose sec bit

[Jon Hanson]

got one like this?

[Tom McIntyre]

Paul, a good size for pictures is at least 450 pixels wide, but not more than 600 wide. If your picture has that dimension, it will be OK. It looks like some of the pictures have been copies of thumbnails rather than the picture the thumbnail references.

When uploading images as in the case of your ATCo dial, if you crop off the background the message board software will size the image correctly for the board (as long as it is big enough to start with).

edited to disambiguate.

[Paul Regan]

Thanks Tom. Nice pair Jon. So the Arabics go into the AWCo phase I see. Hope you found the seconds disc. Great red one. Paul

[Jon Hanson]

Yes, I found the bit--under my desk!

[kirxklox]

This is my Favorite company dial!

http://www.kirxklox.com/images/scan0001.jpg

[Fred Hansen]

Gruen Columbus isnt't it Sam? How much variation did they use with the logo?

Fred

[Fred Hansen]

Thanks Jon for posting some exceptional and very rare dials! The 1873 Chicago Expo dial is definitely one of my favorites.

Fred

[Fred Hansen]

Mike -

Is the last private-label dial you showed the "AK" marked one I sent you a while back? It fits an early model 18 size Illinois but I never did figure out who the private-label marking was for.

Fred

[Fred Hansen]

Another 18 size Rockford dial ...

http://www.nawcc-info.org/Hansen/fh0311.2.jpg

[Fred Hansen]

Another US Marion Pennsylvania RR dial, but I think I like the bigger seconds-bit logo of Jon's ...

http://mb.nawcc.org/picture.php?albumid=29&pictureid=144

[Jon Hanson]

Fred,

I have other PRR Marion 18s watches, shall I scan the others for you?

Jon

[Fred Hansen]

Absolutely!

:o

Fred

[Jon Hanson]

18s

[Jon Hanson]

another BLACK dial

[Mike Kenley]

Yes Fred, that's the same one. I don't have any beautiful dials like the rest of you. Maybe someday I will.

[Fred Hansen]

Here is a close-up on the signature of that dial, anyone recognize this and know who it was for?

[kirxklox]

I liked Jon's E Howard & Co Black Dial.

Fred this Logo is interesting as I see JAK or AIK, may even be others can see something different.

[kirxklox]

Fred: The Crown Columbus Logo was not their only Logo Signature. I think it is their best Logo Signature Dial though.

[Tom McIntyre]

Photo dials are not as interesting as some of the graphic designs, but I thought this one was a bit more interesting than most. I am still not sure what is going on with the name. Perhaps some of the readers can hazard a guess. (Click on the picture to make it big.)
http://www.awco.org/OtherHigh/PhotoElgin/Dial_small.jpg (http://www.awco.org/OtherHigh/PhotoElgin/Dial.jpg)

[Cary Hurt]

Photo dials are not as interesting as some of the graphic designs, but I thought this one was a bit more interesting than most. I am still not sure what is going on with the name. Perhaps some of the readers can hazard a guess.http://www.awco.org/OtherHigh/PhotoElgin/Dial_small.jpg


Gee Tom,

Neat dial. I think I see Don, Carlos, Mac, with the D in Don at one o'clock.

Don Carlos is a pretty common name and/or title in Spanish. Mac doesn't sound very Spanish though.

Regards,

Cary

[rrstd]

16's Waltham

http://www.nawcc-info.org/RRSTD/RL002walfandial.jpg

[rrpktwatcher]

Just guessing . . . but . . . possible maybes . . . ???

CARLOS MACDON - Scottish abbreviation - ?

DON CARLOS MAC - :?|

[Jon Hanson]

third try-18s Waltham super fancy

http://www.americanhorologe.com/83fd6_small.jpg

[Tom McIntyre]

I read it as don Carlos MAC also. I had been thinking that the gentleman was don Carlos and that MAC might mean Mother And Child but that seems kind of hokey. The dial is on a gilt B. W. Raymond. Here is a shot of the movement.

http://www.awco.org/OtherHigh/PhotoElgin/Movement_small.jpg (http://www.awco.org/OtherHigh/PhotoElgin/Movement.jpg)

[Jon Hanson]

or, Don Carlos Mac (Donald or something)

Jon

[IMHO]

Here's one of my favorites ...

http://members.cox.net/dave.chaplain/37s%20with%20decades%20seconds.jpg

[rrstd]

16 size Elgin

http://www.nawcc-info.org/RRSTD/RL005Elg24dial.jpg

[IMHO]

And here's a closeup of a Columbus mongram similar to the one Sam posted:

http://members.cox.net/dave.chaplain/col_youngstown_o_mono.jpg

[kirxklox]

Another?

http://www.kirxklox.com/images/scan0003.jpg

[Jon Hanson]

error

[Jon Hanson]

another US Marion hi-grade

[Jon Hanson]

seldom seen

[Jon Hanson]

seldom found as such

C:\Documents and Settings\Jon Hanson\My Documents\My Pictures

[rrstd]

John,

Definately an unusual Peoria dial. No sunk, no seconds, for railway service. A first for me, thanks for posting.

Is the movement gilt or nickel?

R

[Jon Hanson]

NICKEL

[Kent]

Jon:

Please tell us the serial number of that open-face Peoria movement whose dial is pictured above? Is the movement also marked "For Railway Service"? Is is anti-magnetic?

Thanks,

[kirxklox]

Another Columbus Style Dial?

[Jon Hanson]

Another Columbus Style Dial?

I am certain that this is a Swiss fake and not a Columbus dial -- a Swiss mov't throughout!:bang:

Jon

[kirxklox]

Could it be? I would have a Swiss FAKE? Hmmmmmm, I do like Swiss Watches!

[rrstd]

Jon, one more question if I may.

Is the movement hunting or open face?

[Fred Hansen]

I like this signature with a flying bird carrying an Elgin banner, but I've only seen it on 6 size dials ...

http://nawcc-ch149.com/ch149mb/download.php?id=1869

Fred

[Greg Frauenhoff]

A favorite of mine. I've posted a picture of it before on the message board and hope that I haven't already done so in this thread (too lazy to go back and check):

http://members.aol.com/gfrauen/capitaldl.jpg

[lak611]

third try-18s Waltham super fancy

http://www.americanhorologe.com/83fd6_small.jpg

Is that an O'Hara dial?

[perby]

third try-18s Waltham super fancy

http://www.americanhorologe.com/83fd6_small.jpg

Is that an O'Hara dial?

wow, I've never seen dials like the ones posted, what a treat, another arm of horology,
Great stuff all, what a pleasure
Thanks,
Bill

[Paul Regan]

Might be fun to get this thread going again. Here is a Waltham '88.

[Fred Hansen]

Laura - There are similar Waltham dials with the same overall design but different color patterns and I've heard them described as O'haras, but the ones I've personally seen haven't actually been signed O'hara. But even if not signed I would certainly believe it if Jon tells us that they were made by O'hara.

Paul - Great dial!!!

Fred

[Bill B]

Here is one of my favorites. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/1003/phobarb/e1.jpg

It is on a 88 model Waltham. I have seen yellow, red and green like this one.

[Paul Regan]

Thanks Fred. That dial is on an AMn grade '88 of which is seldom seen. Bill, wild dial!!

[lak611]

Bill, that is a very cool dial! :thumb:

[Fred Hansen]

A good looking 18 size Columbus dial, this one goes with a 17 jewel Railway King movement ...

http://mb.nawcc.org/picture.php?albumid=29&pictureid=124

Fred

[Fred Hansen]

And a close-up of the details ...

http://mb.nawcc.org/picture.php?albumid=29&pictureid=125

Fred

[Kent]

Fred:

Love the dial!

[Jerry Treiman]

Thanks, Fred, for bringing this thread back up. Here is a Waltham 10-size Colonial-A that I found a few months ago. The deeply carved and pierced center disc is backed by a polished silver plate that can contrast nicely when viewed at the proper angle.

[Paul Regan]

Here is one from an AWCo 16J '72. The serial # places it before the OF version was offered. Was this an attempt to offer an open face watch before the actual was available? Original 18K case I believe. Paul

[Kent]

As long as we're showing Waltham hunters with conversion dials, here's Another One (http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y284/walt845/18S_19J_CS_13044708_HC_A5P.jpg)

[Jon Hanson]

link is dead

[Kent]

link is dead

Link is alive and well at photobucket!

[Jon Hanson]

Here is one from an AWCo 16J '72. The serial # places it before the OF version was offered. Was this an attempt to offer an open face watch before the actual was available? Original 18K case I believe. Paul

Two more, Paul, click on them to blow up--the one on the left is DS!

[Bryan Eyring]

Unsigned 88' Model dial, full and zoomed. A friend and I have our own interpretation of this dial and I would like to gain some feedback from users about what they think it is. I will refrain from saying what I think it is in an effort not to sway others' opinions.

So please fire away with thoughts on what YOU think this dial depicts....

Regards,
Bryan

[terry hall]

Believe "I" see statue of Liberty on the right....:confused:

[LloydB]

Unsigned 88' Model dial, full and zoomed. A friend and I have our own interpretation of this dial and I would like to gain some feedback from users about what they think it is. I will refrain from saying what I think it is in an effort not to sway others' opinions.

So please fire away with thoughts on what YOU think this dial depicts....

Regards,
Bryan

To me it looks for all the world like a fair impression of
a cutter-rigged sailboat. An evening view, with the moon
reflecting in quiet water, possibly a boom lying across
the thwart and the sails hanging loose, mast extending
vertically between 11 and 12:00. The other 2 vertical
'blobs' might represent the suggestion of other boats.

[Fred Hansen]

The object on the right does look like the Statue of Liberty to me too.

But was this what was intended? Or is it just another boat on the water and my imagination is reading more into the shape than it should?

Very cool and colorful dial either way!

Fred

[Jon Hanson]

HOW ABOUT a new prospective citizen, sailing into the harbor past the S of L?:rolleyes:

[Bryan Eyring]

Terry, Jon, Lloyd & Fred;

Thanks for your replies. Looks like 3 out of 4 people are seeing an onlooking scene of New York Harbor as well. Good to know that I am not imagining things. :) The serial number on the movement is 5460426, placing the manufacture date in the Fall of 1892, further lending credence to the apparent image.

Has anyone ever seen a similar scene on a dial??

As I previously mentioned it is unsigned, but does this look O'Hara-esque to anyone else?

Regards,
Bryan

[Fred Hansen]

I'm pretty sure I've seen the statue on a few cases before, but can't remember one on a dial. But I think it would have been a pretty well known symbol in the 1890's just as it is today.

Fred

[Robert Smothers]

only problem is the Empire State Building was completed in 1931

[LloydB]

Terry, Jon, Lloyd & Fred;

Thanks for your replies. Looks like 3 out of 4 people are seeing an onlooking scene of New York Harbor as well. [snipped]

Regards,
Bryan

Upon further consideration of the blob at the
far right, 1 out of 4 sees two giraffes, mating.

(But I could be wrong.) :o

[Bryan Eyring]

Upon further consideration of the blob at the
far right, 1 out of 4 sees two giraffes, mating.

(But I could be wrong.) :o

AHHHH NOW I SEE IT....I knew I was missing something :}

[Jon Hanson]

how important is it what it is, except for watch party discussions? :Party:

artists all have their own renditions................:rolleyes:

[Fred Hansen]

Another recent find, an Elgin 18 size fishing dial ...

http://mb.nawcc.org/picture.php?albumid=29&pictureid=142

Fred

[Fred Hansen]

Close-up of center details ...

http://mb.nawcc.org/picture.php?albumid=29&pictureid=143

Fred

[Robert Smothers]

Fred-

Great dial!....must be "Time To Fish."

[Bill B]

Did you see what is happening with the dog on this dial,:o Too much I love it.

[Fred Hansen]

Did you see what is happening with the dog on this dial,:o Too much I love it.

:)

Obviously the dog just went for a nice swim and was tired out, and then they are holding him up by the tail so he can dry off.

At least that's what I told my fiancee when she saw the dial, but she still didn't like it so much ... :rolleyes:

Fred

[Jon Hanson]

Another US Marion Pennsylvania RR dial, but I think I like the bigger seconds-bit logo of Jon's ...

what is this?

[Fred Hansen]

Should be this picture of a US Marion Pennsylvania RR dial ...

http://mb.nawcc.org/picture.php?albumid=29&pictureid=144

And I'd appreciate if the moderator could also drop this image back into the original spot at post #91 to fix the broken link there now.

Fred

[terry hall]

think it is time for a re-appearance of the 'indian dial' :cool:

[Jon Hanson]

Hi Terry, be my guest! (I believe there is a very old link and discussion about my dial as well as comments by this MB's cast of characters.:cool:)

:Party:

[past-time]

I'd like to have the contents of this box...

[Jon Hanson]

Put your new Waltham dial in there and claim it is all original!:Party:

[past-time]

:)Lol

[Jon Hanson]

my man, terry, says I need to post this here. (There is a great old thread on this one buried in the archives of this MB)

[Jon Hanson]

delete

[Jon Hanson]

delete

[Jon Hanson]

here it is from Tom McI's server

[sderek]

I have an 18S Waltham with blue ruman numerals. Is it rare?

[Jon Hanson]

please show us....is it perfect?

[Jon Hanson]

1882 advertising dial

[Jon Hanson]

try again

[terry hall]

Great combination there Jon...

"runic" dial (the type font is usually a challenge to figure out what it says)

Color!

company Name... and a Date!

and a period woman's shoe

[Jon Hanson]

Terry, thanks; it is also double sunk.

[Fred Hansen]

Thanks for the continued images of incredible dials Jon, a lot of what you've posted are things I've never seen anywhere else!

Fred

[John Cote]

Just to keep this wonderful thread going...an 18s Wally on the left and a 16s Illinois on the right:

http://www.johncotephotography.com/Watches/DRG-Dials.jpg

[Fred Hansen]

I love it John ... Denver & Rio Grande Specials.

That is a pair of watches that very few collectors will ever get a chance to see side by side.

Fred

[Jon Hanson]

delete it

[Jon Hanson]

W va

How does one make this larger; works on my computer but the transfer is bad

[John Cote]

W va

How does one make this larger; works on my computer but the transfer is bad Click it and it gets bigger.

That is a wonderful and very rare dial Jon. Is it B&O or C&O.

Here is one from a C&O-24 with Mr. Lentz' name and his partner.

http://www.interstatetime.com/Broke/images/C&O-SpecialDial.jpg

[Jon Hanson]

Mine is not big like yours and clicking on the TN makes it blury

(It is a C and O special, TT)

[John Cote]

Mine is not big like yours and clicking on the TN makes it blury

(It is a C and O special, TT)

I am in the middle of something right now but I'll give you a call tonight.

[Paul Regan]

Here is one not seen very often. It is on a 21J '72. Paul

[Jon Hanson]

here again:

http://home.comcast.net/~jlac1/watch/img114.jpg

[Jon Hanson]

another favorite:
http://home.comcast.net/~jlac1/watch/img117.jpg

[John Cote]

Here is one not seen very often. It is on a 21J '72. Paul

Paul,

Some lady spent a lot of time painting that one. What a beautiful and odd dial. Thanks for the show.

[John Cote]

another favorite:


Jon,

I love the "Loaner" and since we seem to be into the "Illinois Thing" how's about this.

http://www.johncotephotography.com/Watches/24jBunnDial.jpg

[Jon Hanson]

John, you would like the loaner even better if you saw the innerds.

[Paul Regan]

Thanks John & Jon. John, can you come to my house and photo my stuff? Soooo how does one get a big picture? Paul

[Fred Hansen]

I love the "Loaner" dial and had never seen one with just this as a one word marking before.

Great show!

Fred

[Fred Hansen]

18 size Illinois hunting case model ...

http://mb.nawcc.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=14523&d=1210781501

http://mb.nawcc.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=14524&d=1210781594

Fred

[Fred Hansen]

Another hunting case model 18 size Illinois dial ...

http://mb.nawcc.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=19312&d=1221186499

http://mb.nawcc.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=19313&d=1221186512

Fred

[Paul Regan]

What a great Thread! Paul

[Fred Hansen]

Waltham model 1883, tender marked "Dominion" ...

http://mb.nawcc.org/picture.php?albumid=29&pictureid=148

Fred

[Jon Hanson]

Fred, the "Loaner" is 18s. I also have / had a matching 16s which I cannot find.

[John Cote]

18 size Illinois hunting case model ...

Freddy,

The Illinois train dial may be one of my favorites ever....along with Jon's Photographer/Indian dial. The other Illinois are not too shabby either.

Here are a couple of TASCOs: From Left 16s 23j Bunn Special to Right 18s gr 65s.

http://www.johncotephotography.com/Watches/TascoDials.jpg

[rrstd]

http://webpages.charter.net/rlucke/Ham1920Mont.jpg

[rrstd]

http://webpages.charter.net/rlucke/ELG1920Mont.jpg

[rrstd]

And another 16 size Elgin

http://webpages.charter.net/rlucke/Elg24dial1.jpg

[John Cote]

What cool dials Rhett. I am so glad that this thread goes on and on!

[Don Dahlberg]

Perhaps you would like to see where unusual dials came from? The following is from the Otto & Young 1898 Tool and Material Catalog from the NAWCC Library.

26306

26307

26308

Don

[Don Dahlberg]

And the rest of the dial pages from Otto & Young 1898

26309
26310
26311
26312

Don

[Don Dahlberg]

Kent has corrected me off line. It is the Otto Young catalog from 149, 151 and 153 State Street, Chicago.

Don

[sderek]

I haven't been collecting watches for long. This may not mean much to some of you, but when I bought it, it looked like a piece of junk (it was in a pretty rough looking case) and it wasn't running. I cleaned and adjusted it myself (at a NAWCC field workshop in Missouri last year) and put it in a new case (I found at the MART at the convention) and now it runs and looks great! I've never seen another one with blue numbers.

[Nigel Harrison]

Hello,

Here is a Waltham Model 1883 PS Bartlett Dial of which this is the first and the last I have seen of a dial marked specifically like this. I thought it was pretty cool. There does not seem to be anything special about the gilt P.S.Bartlett it is on.

Has anyone else seen another one?

[Fred Hansen]

Nigel - Nice P.S. Bartlett dial! These signed 83 model Bartlett dials are definitely tough to find but they do show up from time to time. There also exist similar idea grade signed dials for the 83 model Appleton Tracy. These are also not easy to find. You might consider contacting 83 model expert Steve Mercer if interested in more detailed and specific info on these.

sderek - I like these blue marking dials and see them occasionally, most often with Elgin and Waltham watches. Usually the background color is more of a cream tone than the usual white of the typical black and white dial. Here is a link to a completed eBay listing of another good looking 1883 model dial with blue markings ... http://cgi.ebay.com/Old-1905-Waltham-Large-O-F-4-color-Gold-Phily-Case_W0QQitemZ140293026408

Fred

[Jon Hanson]

Yes, I have had several.

[Jon Hanson]

These types, seen on other brands, are fun.:Party:

[Nigel Harrison]

Hi Fred and Jon, Thanks for the feedback on the P.S.Bartlett dial. Interesting to hear that others exist, not rare but just uncommon by the sounds. You guys get to see many more US watches than me since I am downunder, so that is understandable you have come across others. Thanks and Regards, Nigel Harrison.

[John Pavlik]

Nigel,

A double sunk version, something else to find....The movement on this example is nice..

[Tom McIntyre]

There are lots of wonderful pictures in this thread. Does everyone know that clicking on the paperclip shown in the Forum view will give you a list of all of them that you can browse quickly?

I think it is a nice feature. :)

[Kent]

Thanks Tom, I didn't know that!

[Jon Hanson]

interesting Elgin

[sderek]

sderek - I like these blue marking dials and see them occasionally, most often with Elgin and Waltham watches. Usually the background color is more of a cream tone than the usual white of the typical black and white dial. Here is a link to a completed eBay listing of another good looking 1883 model dial with blue markings ... http://cgi.ebay.com/Old-1905-Waltham-Large-O-F-4-color-Gold-Phily-Case_W0QQitemZ140293026408

Fred

Thanks Fred,
I hadn't seen that one before. Mine is an 18S serial number 14890118 17j with the star micrometer regulator.

[Jon Hanson]

another rarity

[Jon Hanson]

Does anyone collect Sideral dials?

[Jon Hanson]

sexy enough for anyone?

[rrstd]

Jon,

I love the Elgin Santa Fe and Waltham Sidereal dials, but must admit that although incredible - that last "one eyed" Waltham kinda gives me the creeps :eek:

[Jon Hanson]

:eek::Party:

[Jon Hanson]

A few Elgins

[Jon Hanson]

Elgins

http://www.nawcc-info.org/149ElginClub/EC002424_small.jpg

[Jon Hanson]

16 ELGINS

http://http://www.nawcc-info.org/149ElginClub/EC0044e.jpg

[Jon Hanson]

AGAIN


http://http://www.nawcc-info.org/149ElginClub/EC0044e.jpg

[Jon Hanson]

http://www.nawcc-info.org/149ElginClub/EC0044e.jpg

[Fred Hansen]

Another train dial for the thread, Waltham model 1883 hunting case ...

http://mb.nawcc.org/picture.php?albumid=29&pictureid=635

Fred

[crsides]

Very nice Fred. Thanks for posting.

[Kent]

Fred:

That is a neat dial!

Thanks for posting it,

[Kim G.]

Friday
July 3, 2009



Kim Gerard
NAWCC Member #0169537

[Kim G.]

Saturday
July 4, 2009


Not a pocket watch dial, but it is one of my favorites!


Kim Gerard
NAWCC Member #0169537

[Jon Hanson]

Another train dial for the thread, Waltham model 1883 hunting case ...

http://mb.nawcc.org/picture.php?albumid=29&pictureid=635

Fred

A true GEM OF THE FIRST WATER!