jules jurgensen fils

[da27]

Thanks for the info so far. The resolution of the pics are low and blurry. But hopefully they are enough to see the watch. I'll try to get a better pic. What does the fils mean. I have never seen a jj with the fils at the end?

[da27]

Thanks for the info so far. The resolution of the pics are low and blurry. But hopefully they are enough to see the watch. I'll try to get a better pic. What does the fils mean. I have never seen a jj with the fils at the end?

[hakonrs]

If you could give me some more infomation
about your JJ-watch, I could find more information in the new Jürgensen book.
What is the signature on the dial?
(Jules Jürgensen Copenhagen/Jules jürgensen fils) What does it say on the dust cover ?
What are the stamps inside the case ?
What does the movement say ? serial number ETC.
To open the covers , just use your finger nail.
Do NOT use a knife.By using a knife you could
damage the case.
H Sandström
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[da27]

Thanks for your response.On the dial face it says JJ fils. On the inside of the outer case are the stamps JJ with the crown above it, and 18 with a k above it. Also it has 1371 stamped at the bottom. the next case has a stylized N with the number 1371 next to it, It also has the key shafts for winding and setting the time. The signature on this case says " Jules Jurgensen Son fecit " On the movement are the same signatures " Jules Jurgensen son fecit " and the stylized N 1371.

[hakonrs]

Hello again. This is the information I have found about "JJ fils" in the Jürgensen book:
IN THE BEGINNING OF THE 1860`S THE jj-FACTORY
WORKED ON MODERNISATION AND COMPLETING OF SOME
EARLY EBAUCHES from THE EARLIER DAYS OF THE COMPANY. THES WERE EBAUCHES WITH SERIALNUMBERS
BETWEEN 1000-2000, WHICH NOW GOT NEW SERIAL-NUMBERS. THESE EBAUCHES WERE KNOWN AS "JULES JURGENSEN FILS".
That means that your watch
was produced in the beginning of the 1860´s
with an ebauche from 1840 .
Serial number 1371 dates to 1840.
I will need some more time to find out what
SON FECIT means. Could you also post a picture of the movement?
H Sandström

[da27]

Sorry for the quality of the picture as my camera won't take better resolution. Is Shuart's book on value a good guide for this watch? Also "ebauche" what does the word mean?

[Tom McIntyre]

You have a pretty standard looking Jurgensen keywind.

Ebauche refers to the shape of the watch plates and bridges, train hole locations etc. It describes the raw set of components that were produced by an ebauche factory that were used by watch makers to produce finished watches.

Tom McIntyre
NAWCC 2nd VP
Tommy the JOAT's Web (http://www.AWCo.org)

[hakonrs]

Da27 , have you tried to contact John Knudsen
in Denmark about your JJ?
(He is the author of the new Jürgensen book)
I have been in contact with him and asked about
your JJ. He replyed to me that He has recieved a
mail from an american seeking information about
a Jürgensen watch # 1321.
I am asuming that this is you.
Mr Knudsen has tried to reply on your e-mail,
but for some reason the e-mail adress you
have given him does not work.
If you could give him an e-mail adress which
is working, he might be able to tell you more about your JJ. :smile:
H Sandström

[da27]

Thanks for the info. I do not have his e-mail. But an e-mail you or (he) can reach me is deadat27@hotmail.com. Also if you or someone can give me info on where in my area I can have it appraised that would be great. My ins. Co. needs a written document to keep the watch insured.

[bil2054]

I didn't see this answered above; "Fils" is french for "son". It is interesting that, apparently, in one place it says "fils" and in others it says "son". "Fecit" is latin for "made".

Bill Miller
NAWCC Member #157710

[hakonrs]

Yes that sounds correct.
Mr. Knudsen i Denmark has given me this information about the signature on the watch:
The signature says :" I , son of Jules jürgensen
has made this watch "
Jules jürgensen had 2 sons:
JÃœLES FREDEIC URBAN (known as Jules II) and
JACQUES ALFRED.
JULES II had a son . His name was
JULES PHILIPPE FREDERIC. He was the person
which was to take over The JJ-factory.
He was an educated watchmaker but he had no interrest in horology. He wanted to be a
painter/artist and also wrote poems.
In 1897 he drank Absinth and took his own life,
only 33 years old.Sad story :frown:
Jaques Alfred had no children and was the last
jürgensen watchmaker. He died in 1912.
H Sandström