Lecoultre Repeater? (New clear photos)

[CZHACK]

Can anyone identify the maker of the following hunter cased quarter hour repeater? The movement looks to me like a Lecoultre (but not signed under the hammer) but more important is the curvette which is the same (description order, script and decorations)as numerous complicated Lecoultre I have seen.

http://static.flickr.com/85/259640260_0da0ad7eb8.jpg

http://static.flickr.com/96/259640266_902add4da0.jpg

http://static.flickr.com/109/259640268_9634c3c855.jpg

http://static.flickr.com/118/259640271_51ac916e6b.jpg

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I called the Swiss patent office and found that the patent number on the movement (#8527) was awarded to Jules Jacot-Houriet on May 1, 1894. Pritchard notes that "he made complicated pieces" and that his patent was used by other makers (she notes Les Fils De R. Picard/Invicta). The case has the expected gold hallmarks for Germany and Switzerland and import Austro-Hungarian hallmarks. It also has an anvil/hammer mark I have not been able to identify.

Can anyone identify the maker - Lecoultre or otherwise? Estimated production date? Anvil hallmark identification? Any and all information welcome - even educated quesses!

[CZHACK]

Can anyone identify the maker of the following hunter cased quarter hour repeater? The movement looks to me like a Lecoultre (but not signed under the hammer) but more important is the curvette which is the same (description order, script and decorations)as numerous complicated Lecoultre I have seen.

http://static.flickr.com/85/259640260_0da0ad7eb8.jpg

http://static.flickr.com/96/259640266_902add4da0.jpg

http://static.flickr.com/109/259640268_9634c3c855.jpg

http://static.flickr.com/118/259640271_51ac916e6b.jpg

http://static.flickr.com/113/259640276_381a7e0ae0.jpg

I called the Swiss patent office and found that the patent number on the movement (#8527) was awarded to Jules Jacot-Houriet on May 1, 1894. Pritchard notes that "he made complicated pieces" and that his patent was used by other makers (she notes Les Fils De R. Picard/Invicta). The case has the expected gold hallmarks for Germany and Switzerland and import Austro-Hungarian hallmarks. It also has an anvil/hammer mark I have not been able to identify.

Can anyone identify the maker - Lecoultre or otherwise? Estimated production date? Anvil hallmark identification? Any and all information welcome - even educated quesses!

[Nachtmotte]

Hello Mike,
thanks for your Private Message but unfortunately I haven´t received any pictures. Just read my answering in order to check my Private Mail adress.

This beautiful movement is build into two pieces (like LE PHARE Calendar or Perpetuals):
first a base movement and
second a calendar module fixed onto the dial side (LE PHARE used either 21 and 22"' modules).

To identify the maker you´re on the right way with the patent but there should be some more signs like under the hammers or under the dial (that´s the risky part to check, I know). Patents are mostly signs who made the here used technical invention. To identify just in case 100 per cent, there should be at the minimum a second prove like another engraving or sign of the maker.

Sending you my best regards
Tony

Mike...., by the way: what about the actually Miss World? She´s a Czech beauty.... great!

[CZHACK]

Tony,

Hi. Thanks for the response. I am hoping someone recognises the movement and can ID or point me in the right direction. Also, let me know if you need any Swiss patent look ups as I have found a very helpful agent at the Swiss patent office.

Mike

[Nachtmotte]

Hi Mike,
there´s something: I search since a while a direct link to the British Patent office, cause the Swiss Patent CH-334 (08.01.1889/16.03.1889; belongs to C.Barbezat-Baillot) exists as US-433225 (09.05.1889/29.07.1890), also as GB-? (xx.xx.1889/04.04.1889). Here I´m searching firstly the British patent Number, the date of archiving and the direct link to this patent.

Some other helpful sources for everybody:
European Patent Office:
http://ep.espacenet.com/advancedSearch?locale=en_EP
German Patent and Trademark Office:
http://depatisnet.dpma.de/DepatisNet/depatisnet?window=...e6ce7661&stamp=02125 (http://depatisnet.dpma.de/DepatisNet/depatisnet?window=1&space=main&content=recherche&action=einsteiger&session=c23b66f030d86f5a55fd50ef4399950db6f5e6ce76 61&stamp=02125)
US Patent Office:
http://www.uspto.gov/main/search.html
Worldwide:
http://www.dpma.de/links/patentlinks.html
Madame Marlène Rufenacht, "Château des Monts", Le Locle (Montain Watch Museum in Le Locle)
marlene.rufenacht@ne.ch

Good luck Mike!
Sending you my best regards
Tony

[CZHACK]

Tony,

Unfortunately, I do not have any sources for UK patent information.

If anyone has a watch with the patent number referenced above (or ever searches this forum for it) the following is from the Swiss patent office:

Expose D'Invention
Brevet No 8527
1 Mai 1894
Classe 64
Jules Jacot-Houriet, au Locle (Suisse)
Platine pour montres repetitions avec ou sans complications

The above is followed by an explanation and drawing. If there is interest, I will post a scan of the document.

Mike