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Kent
06-14-2005, 04:49 PM
Hi GK:

Welcome to the NAWCC Pocket Watch Message Board!

The Westclox Scotty is essentially a throw-away watch, you use it 'til it stops working, then throw it away and buy a new one. I remember buying one new in the late 1960s (yeah, it got thrown away). I used to set it by pulling up on the crown (the knob inside of the bow - the loop) in order to engage it to the hands.

Jeweled watches that are carried daily need to be cleaned and oiled at regular intervals. Railroad time service rules varied, but requirements for cleaning on a basis of once every year and a half were typical for railroaders at the turn of the century. By the mid-1920’s this was extended to two year intervals.

The “Sears, Roebuck and Co., Inc. Catalogue No. 104,” Chicago, IL, 1897, reprinted by Chelsea House, Philadelphia, PA, 1968 had this to say on page 371:

“We Guarantee for Five Years All the movements sold by us. This does not refer to the life of the movement, but that we will for five years from date of purchase, correct free of charge any fault which may occur from defective material or workmanship. Any well made movement will run a lifetime if properly cared for.
“Remember That your watch should not run longer than one and one-half years without having the old oil cleaned off and fresh oil supplied. This must be done at the expense of the purchaser.
“The balance wheel of all modern watches makes 18,000 beats or revolutions per hour; 432,000 per day, or 157,788,000 per year. An engine or sewing machine will be oiled several times per day, but we have known people to carry a watch for ten years without having it cleaned or fresh oil applied.
“Usually, a movement thus treated is of no value, being entirely worn out. Take good care of your watch if you wish it to perform its duty properly, for it is a very delicate machine. Our charge for cleaning and oiling is 75 cents. The regular retail price is $1.50.”

Watch cleaning and oiling costs a bit more today than it did a hundred years ago. Check out What You Need To Know About Watch Repair at Wayne Schlitt's Elgin Website:
<span class="ev_code_brown">www.midwestcs.com/elgin/help/watch_repair.html</span>
<span class="ev_code_blue">To view, go to the </span><span class="ev_code_brown">Elgin Watch Collectors Site Home Page</span> <span class="ev_code_blue">at</span> <span class="ev_code_brown">elginwatches.com</span>, <span class="ev_code_blue">then copy and paste the address in your browser's address bar and click on </span>'Go'.

Also, Ed Ueberall, of The Escapement (http://members.aol.com/stdwatch) has put together some notes on the Use And Care of Your Vintage Watch (http://k_singer.home.comcast.net/use_and_care_of_your_vintage_wat.htm) that should be helpful.

Edited to fix link.

Good luck,

leeinv66
06-17-2005, 11:38 PM
Hi GK, I do not agree with Kent that the Westclock Scotty you have purchased was designed as a throw away watch. If they are kept serviced and oiled (like all watches should be) they will run for many, many years. In fact, I have several in my collection that are 60 or more years old and they show no sign of stopping. Just because they were made cheaply, does not mean they are throw away. I have been repairing Westclox and other Dollar watches for several years and in that time I have seen them become more and more popular, especially on ebay. If you haven't guessed, yes I am a fan of these watches. Mainly because they made it possible for the average Joe to buy his own watch without spending his life savings!

The problem you are having setting the time is a common one for people that have not owned an old Westclox before. When you pull up on the crown, twist it a little to the right at the same time. It will pop right up.

Also, if you remove the case back, you should see the date the watch was made stamped on the back plate (if it was made before the mid 1960's). If it is a later model, you need to remove the movement from the case, as the date is on the inside of the front plate.

Hope I have helped?
Peter

Glyn Meredith
06-18-2005, 05:37 PM
I guess we all know what Kent means, but I do empathize with Peter. The first time I took a watch to pieces, back in the 50's, I couldn't get it back together again correctly. After a couple more tries, I lost interest. 50 years later, with a rekindled interest in watch collecting, I took a Westclox apart and actually got it back together again, and working!

I would say that a Westclox is a good watch to start tinkering with. It can take a fair amount of 'amateur' abuse, and still work fine. Who knows where it can lead? I still have a few in my drawer, so maybe one of my sons can do what I did fifty years ago, but with more success than me. At least, I have some tools that are more suited to the job these days.

I would say don't throw them away. These watches are part of pocket watch history too, and even a non-runner on eBay will fetch a few dollars.

twise11
10-24-2006, 03:33 AM
I bought an old Scotty off e-bay too. It reminded me of my Grandfathers watch that no longer worked. He worked as a phone lineman in the 50's.

Ihad a hard time setting it as well. I did use the tip to gently pull up and turn. I did not find turning to the right worked but turning to the left did.

It's nice to see it working.